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<sgp> Meeting time! <sgp> 0. Introduction <sgp> We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Meeting! <sgp> Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/170 <sgp> Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support. <sgp> 1. Greetings <xmrscott[m]> Salutations <ErCiccione> Hi <rehrar> This guy <sgp> @pigeons the mattermost relay is down <sgp> 2. Community highlights <sgp> For a great weekly summary, please read the Monero Observer: http://monero-observer.com/ <sgp> 3. Monero Integrations improvements <sgp> cryptochangements asked to speak for a few minutes about improvements they have made to existing integrations. <cryptochangement> ok i just got here <cryptochangement> didnt know mattermost was down <sgp> perfect timing :) <cryptochangement> okay so basically, I just wanted to share that I have improved on the wordpress plugin from serhack's last FFS and made it easier for merchants to accept Monero <cryptochangement> basically it allows people to use their viewkey with a block explorer instead of an rpc waller <cryptochangement> *wallet <cryptochangement> here is the reddit post I made with a video demo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/7tkpfu/accepting_monero_with_monerointegrations_just_got/ <cryptochangement> and several more new merchants have already started using the upgraded version <cryptochangement> there is still some concern about using a node that is not yours to validate 0 confirmation transactions which I'm still looking into, but IMO you should really just stick to the "small amounts only" rule when accepting 0 conf transactions. <cryptochangement> Any questions? <cryptochangement> otherwise we can move on :) <sgp> Thanks cryptochangement <sgp> 4. Monero outreach initiative <sgp> Rehrar asked to discuss his idea about an outreach initiative for this workgroup. <rehrar> yeah, and my IRC is being stupid. sec. <rehrar> I'll just type from MM. <sgp> Ok, looks like Mattermost relay is back up <cryptochangements> ok cool <rehrar> Alright, so the basic idea of this Outreach, is that we get a small subgroup of interested community members to make a list, identifying other exciting open-source projects. They don't have to be crypto or privacy created. Mostly stuff that is trying to change the world. <rehrar> We then do what I'm calling a <rehrar> 'Monero bomb' of this project (sorry, pressed enter by accident) <rehrar> Where a bunch of us Monero people go to them, see what they need, and do it. Things like translations, website work, infographics, whatever. <rehrar> Then we disappear into the night. They've just got "Monero'd" <rehrar> The ultimate goal of something like this being to build bridges of relationship with the open source community at large, and solidify Monero's place there. <rehrar> In its purest form, open-source is a more-or-less altruistic way to see the world change, and empower people with software, rich and poor. <rehrar> In its purest form, it's not about the money. <rehrar> Cryptocurrency is very strange, in that, for most projects, it's all about the money, despite being open source. It's a weird bastardization. But you see with the launch of Bitcoin, it was about changing the world by providing a better money, not about making money. <rehrar> I like to think Monero subscribes to being like that. We're not about getting rich. We're about changing the world, and there's a lot of other projects that are trying to do that in small ways too <ArticMine> This seems to me to e a very worthwhile project <rehrar> Monero can show them some love, get our word out there and help them spread theirs at the same time. <rehrar> We can help them get set up with Monero donations, etc. etc. etc. What we can accomplish for them is only limited by the skills of the volunteers we have. <cryptochangement> sounds good, it would be awesome if we could get the coordination for that <rehrar> This also gives a project for the many people who want to help Monero, but don't know how cuz they can't code. <rehrar> Either way, that's my idea. <rehrar> If we like it, I can start work on it. <ArticMine> Of course we can look at Monero as a multi-billion dollar crypto-currency with an elaborate security model based entirely upon software freedom <cryptochangement> I for one like it <cryptochangement> looks like a small crowd today <sgp> @rehrar I think the most difficult part would be finding enough participants <rehrar> This is true. <rehrar> Which is kind of sad, since Monero community is so big, but that's the way it goes with anything, I think. <cryptochangement> I think we could easily find enough people in time, but coordinating volunteers to do stuff like that all together in a short-ish amount of time would probably be the bigger challenge <sgp> Maybe a mailing list would help more than subreddit posts. Not sure <ArticMine> There is also a lack of awareness in the Monero community as a whole as to the critical role Free Software and software freedom play in Monero <rehrar> We can have a 'sign up sheet' where people sign up to receive emails about stuff. They say their skills, and once a month we have a new project to help. <cryptochangement> the problem with a r/ post is that most people over there are just scrolling by with short attention spans <rehrar> ^ ArticMine <rehrar> Most people don't really understand open source as a whole. They know Monero IS open source, but they don't know the ideals of open source, and how it tries to change the world <cryptochangement> the 'sign up sheet' sounds like a good idea tho <sgp> @rehrar sounds good, as long as you include clear projects for beginners to work on <rehrar> Then maybe we can have a sticky in the Community subreddit of the project we're helping this month <rehrar> final though from me: <cryptochangement> the community subbreddit is nice, but pretty small :/ <rehrar> even if all this accomplishes is tiny bits of help (financial or otherwise) toward a project, the other thing it accomplishes is spreading the word of open-source as a whole to our community, and generating awareness for other projects that some in the community might find useful <rehrar> it's pretty easy to 'catch the vision' of Monero, when you catch the vision of open source as well. <ArticMine> ^^ This is critical <rehrar> In the end, isn't that the goal of the Community workgroup? <rehrar> We try to make a better community <rehrar> and a better community, is a community that 'gets it' <sgp> Yes, at least imo <ArticMine> It can be part of the role of the Monero Community <rehrar> so it makes sense that our subreddit and stuff is small <rehrar> cuz not many people 'get it' ;) <sgp> @rehrar part of it is me mostly using the subreddit only for announcements <rehrar> Either way, once again, it will make an outward focus for Monero instead of just an inward ones, which will set us apart from other crypto projects. <rehrar>bows thank you <cryptochangement>applauds <rehrar> (my rant for the meeting) <ArticMine> To me it is a recognition o the debt Monero own the FLOSS communities <ArticMine> owes <sgp> Yeah, I think it's a good project to have <serhack> hi :) <sgp> Anything else? What do you need to get started @rehrar? <rehrar> I guess some volunteers to work with me to start compiling a list. :) <rehrar> I'll make a Taiga for it. <sgp> ok cool, look forward to seeing how this project evolves <rehrar> also check out the new refreshed getkovri.org website and tell me if anything is broken for you on mobile, desktop, or tablet :D <cryptochangement> I'd be glad to volunteer <serhack> I like your idea rehrar <rehrar> I like my idea too serhack ;) <cryptochangement> so you got at least 1 or 2 already :p <sgp> 5. FFS updates <sgp> There are several FFS updates. <sgp> a. Localization workgroup Q&A <sgp> Erciccione asked to reserve some time for a localization workgroup Q&A. <ErCiccione> thank you sgp i have a couple of things to say <ErCiccione> first of all i wanted to apologize to the community, I'm having some personal problems since january. This caused me to work less than i wanted to (and less than what i promised in my ffs) for the localization workgroup <ErCiccione> this means i'll recover that time on march (reclaiming the third milestone one week later) <ErCiccione> but i have also some good news :) <ErCiccione> thanks to rehrar's patch getmonero.org is now ready to be localized, i already set up a guide on taiga and can be found here: https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/erciccione-monero-localization/wiki/translating-monero-website <ErCiccione> very soon i will upload on github the itlaian translation, so translator can use that as example for their Pull Requests. Also <rehrar> woohoo! <serhack> that's nice :) <ErCiccione> i will publish this evening or tomorrow a reddit post asking for translators, since also getkovri was just refreshed and need to be checked and updated. The GUI is going great btw <ErCiccione> a lot of translators, and if we are lucky we could get even 3 more translations before the code freeze <cryptochangement> awesome <ErCiccione> this is everything coming in my mind right now, the reddit post will be more verbose..if anybody has any question,, here to answer :) <cryptochangement> btw @ErCiccione i'm about to squash commits for that french GUI update so it should be ready to merge soon <ErCiccione> great, thanks cryptochangement, will leave my final review after the squash <sgp> Thanks ErCiccione <sgp> @michael you ready? <ErCiccione> thank you guys <sgp> b. RFC-HWALLET-1 project progress <michael> Almost. <michael> On the road problems. <rehrar> how much time you need? <michael> Five minutes. <sgp> Ok, we can move to open ideas time until you are ready. Just jump in whenever <sgp> I have an thought! <sgp> I'm surprised we haven't discussed the possible overlap between /r/MoneroCommunity and /r/moonero before. Most large communities have fun making content (eg: dogecoin) <cryptochangement>waits suspensfully for sgp's thought <cryptochangement> thats an interesting way of looking at it <sgp> Would encouraging people to make memes encourage people to contribute in other ways? Are we actually harming the community by having these two groups separate? <cryptochangement> tbh i dont see how making memes will turn into other contributions <sgp> It just encourages light-heartedness and lowers the barrier for initial contributions <michael> Can only get a hotel network connection on my phone. <cryptochangement> its an interesting idea but it might just end up as clutter <michael> We had a hardware team meeting since the last community meeting. <michael> For which there are minutes. <michael> We're working on a new generation prototype, which will integrate one or more new secure elements. <serhack> Private elements too? <msvb-mob> Finally online, with a charged battery. <msvb-mob> serhack: The secure elements lock secrets away from rogue firmware. <msvb-mob> serhack: I don't know what a private element is. <serhack> Monero is focused on privacy, I think the hardware wallet should be focused on the same goal <rehrar> it is, serhack, no worries <rehrar> the secure element is an actual piece of hardware <serhack> Right. <ArticMine> and how open in the hardware? back to the FLOSS question? <msvb-mob> The hardware uses common parts, passive resistors, capacitors, and active LDO (power), MOSFET (transistors), and the more complex but also common MCUs and ICs. <msvb-mob> All design, including schematic and layout, is licensed according to the CERN license. <msvb-mob> We have rejected all NDA (nondisclosure agreements) and have no secret contacts, so this is quite Opensource. In fact even our process (project management and other docs) is. <msvb-mob> ArticMine: Sound okay to you? <msvb-mob> Any other hardware team questions? <ArticMine> Yes this avoids proprietary attacks <sgp> Thanks @msvb-mob for your update <msvb-mob> ArticMine: Documents state 'copyright The Monero Project.' <msvb-mob> sgp: You're welcome. <ArticMine> You need a copyright which is then linked to a FLOSS or certain CC license <msvb-mob> Yes, the CERN Opensource Hardware (OSH) license. <ArticMine> This is a legal requirement in many jurisdictions <sgp> ArticMine msvb-mob anything else you want to discuss related to this? They should have most of the details outlines on Taiga <msvb-mob> sgp: We're done with the hardware report, thanks. <sgp> Thanks msvb-mob <sgp> 6. Open ideas time <sgp> Does anyone have anything to discuss here? <ArticMine> It seems to me this is on the right track <sgp> Ok, since it seems quiet today, we can wrap up the meeting <sgp> 7. Confirm next meeting date/time <sgp> The next community meeting will be two weeks from today on 17 February. The next Coffee Chat will be next week on 10 February: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/173 <sgp> 8. Conclusion <sgp> That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on /r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, and know that change starts with YOU.