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<fluffypony> ok starting the meeting relay for the Kovri meeting <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Hello. <fluffypony> anonimal: all yours :) <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} From https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/issues/177 <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} Proposed meeting items: <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} 17:00 (UTC) <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} 1. Review assigned open tickets: status, code ideas (if applicable), etc. <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} 2. Any additional meeting items <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} 3. Confirm next meeting date/time <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} Starting with 1., as discussed in private with fluffypony, let's tackle https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/issues/assigned/fluffypony <fluffypony> hokay - should we do them one at a time ? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Sure, #105. <fluffypony> sec, just opening it up <meeting-bot> [anonimal] I'm more curious about status updates and if we'll pursue some of these ideas. <fluffypony> ok 107 <fluffypony> I asked dEBRUYNE and the rest of the social media guys about that in January last <fluffypony> dEBRUYNE: have you guys looked at that at all ? <dEBRUYNE> I think xmrpromotions was handling that <meeting-bot> [anonimal] JFTR: s/107/105/ <dEBRUYNE> I honestly cannot remember you asking me :-P * fluffypony has the IRC logs to prove it :-P <dEBRUYNE> regardless, I think xmrpromotions was handling most of that :-P <fluffypony> ok - xmrpromotions, did you have a chance to look at GNU Social ? <ArticMine> I am looking at GNU social right now <xmrpromotions> I am sorry but I have not <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Can I ask everone, candidly, what they think of the idea? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Is it something worth pursuing? <ArticMine> My initial instinct is yes <fluffypony> tbh I had hardly heard about GNU Social till you brought it up <xmrpromotions> Are there more details I can read about it? https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/issues/105 <fluffypony> but I think in terms of providing a more freedom-friendly social presence it's advantageous <fluffypony> plus if we can spend the energy maintaining a Facebook page we can definitely justify this... :-P <ArticMine> Way better than a Facebook page <ArticMine> There are many who dislike the corporate centralization of Facebook in social media <meeting-bot> [anonimal] xmrpromotions: A great example of a working instance is https://quitter.se/ <uguu> facebook is currently actively banning users that talk about the censorship too so... <meeting-bot> [anonimal] xmrpromortions: For technical details, https://gnu.io/social/ <meeting-bot> [anonimal] lol, sorry, not auto-completion here <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Yes, recent news items re: censorship just get crazier and crazier. <xmrpromotions> Thank you I will read the details and be ready to comment later. It is too early for me to commit to anything quite yet <meeting-bot> [anonimal] And the social monopolies are finally showing their true colors. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, so #105 is on hold pending xmrpromotions' review? <fluffypony> yup <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, next ticket. <fluffypony> ok <meeting-bot> [anonimal] #46 <meeting-bot> [anonimal] The Kovri website. <fluffypony> #46 - does anyone have any strong opinions on whether it should be a page on the Monero website, or a separate site that matches the Monero site's look and feel (maybe with different colours), or a completely unrelated site ? <fluffypony> anonimal: and your input on this would be appreciated too <fluffypony> I think the relay is wonky <meeting-bot> [anonimal] What's the time-cost in terms of managing two sites? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Yes, missed almost everything it looks like. <fluffypony> anonimal: it's mostly just the initial work, after that I mostly go hands-off and let the community run with the content <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Can anyone read this? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, so could we start small with a page on the website, or maybe subdomain/ and if things get bigger move onto another site? <fluffypony> that would be my recommendation <fluffypony> we start with a sub-section on the Monero site <fluffypony> and forward the kovri site through to it <fluffypony> if we feel the need later on we can create a separate site on its own <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, sounds good to me. Anyone else? <xmrpromotions> Of the three options mentioned a separate site that matches the Monero site's look and feel may help draw a wider audience than a page on the Monero site while at the same time anyone who visits the Kovri page knows that Monero is associated with it <xmrpromotions> It seems like a judgement call to me. Either plan sounds reasonable <fluffypony> restarting meeting bot <fluffypony> in fact, if you want to write up some content for me I'll do it on the plane on Tuesday <fluffypony> in fact, I can probably take most of it from the readme <fluffypony> in fact, if I say in fact again I'll summon the in-fact-bot <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, ideas for content? I can blabber but ideas are welcome. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] ping in-fact-bot <xmrpromotions> Any thoughts on creating a stackexchange proposal for I2P? Tor has a page now https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/56447/tor and we should be able to reach the commitment stage quickly with the same supporters behind the Monero proposal? <fluffypony> xmrpromotions: we'd have to run it past zzz, at the very least <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] zzz ^^ <xmrpromotions> sorry for off topic idea. I can table it for later if appropriate **<fluffypony> no I think it's an excellent idea, if the i2p community at large is interested then now is definitely the time <meeting-bot> [anonimal] From what I've seen, alot of great ideas come and go through #i2p-dev but it always comes down to resources. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] I think we'd all love that but someone will have to take the initiative. <xmrpromotions> I will take the initiative on that <meeting-bot> [anonimal] AFAICT all i2p-related dev (including Kovri) is in a bit of a dry spell so, priorities. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] I like the idea though. <fluffypony> anonimal: the advantage is that we can basically get everyone who's committed to the Monero proposal to also back an i2p proposal <fluffypony> but now is the time to do so <fluffypony> whilst everyone's excited <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, so what's the next step? <xmrpromotions> If the I2P communty supports it. As fluffypony said now is the time as the synergy will help both I2P and Monero proposals pass faster for REP related reasons <fluffypony> so basically next step on the website is let's get a bit of content and I'll put it together on the plane on Tuesday <fluffypony> next step on the StackExchange proposal is to wait for feedback from zzz <xmrpromotions> sounds good. I wont act until I hear confirmation that zzz is ready to proceed <meeting-bot> [anonimal] I dropped a line in #i2p-dev. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] We'll see who bites. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, so #46: 1) create content 2) On Tuesday, fluffypony will put something together 3) ETA after that? <fluffypony> ok next ticket ? <fluffypony> oh <fluffypony> once it's pushed to the repo it goes live <fluffypony> there's no ETA beyond that <fluffypony> or no steps beyond pulling it and rebuilding the Jekyll site <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok great, I'll paste a note in ticket. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Moving on, #43. <fluffypony> ok - can we just use the Monero addresses, or do we want separate addresses? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] I'm fine with Monero addresses. <fluffypony> ok then they're avialable here, anonimal: http://donate.getmonero.org <fluffypony> *available <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok. Also, I can apply for FFS when needed or include my address somewhere or we can simply put a note in README to donate to either. Sound fair? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Or no? <othe> ffs is prolly more efficient <fluffypony> FFS is better than direct donations <fluffypony> and it's generally more trustworthy because you raise funds for a specific piece of work, and then get paid out on milestones <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, we should put a note in README directing to FFS and donation page or just FFS? <fluffypony> the readme just needs the donation page <fluffypony> if we get large donations we redistribute them to active FFS proposals anyway <meeting-bot> [anonimal] fluffypony: Ok, would you like to add that with your wording to the README? Or should I? <fluffypony> anonimal: I have to pack tomorrow, and have a bunch of things to do, so if you could that would be appreciated <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Moving on, #27 <fluffypony> ok #27 is going to have to hold for a week or two, we're busy moving email providers on getmonero.org so I'll sort it out on the new provider <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, I'll paste that note. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Onward to #20. <fluffypony> 20 - I can try Coverity again, let's see if it gives me the same issue <fluffypony> I've not heard from them despite opening tickets etc. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Links? Maybe I can comment/ping them too. <fluffypony> anonimal: screenshots and process I followed is in that ticket <fluffypony> issue I mean <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, well, it may come down to a phone call or two. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Is that something you'd be willing to do? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] If not, we can skip the integration and try to do it manually. <fluffypony> sure <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, next. #90 is not assigned to you but I remember you said you would assign yourself. <fluffypony> one second just checking coverity <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Is #90 still of interest? <fluffypony> oooooh it works <fluffypony> they must've fixed it and just not let us know <fluffypony> anonimal: I'll PM you with coverity details <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Fantastic! <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Yay, great. This should be interesting. <gingeropolous> will I break things if I create a bridge by connecting simplewallet to the daemon over an i2p tunnel? <fluffypony> doubtful <meeting-bot> [anonimal] fluffypony: #90? <fluffypony> 90 will happen automagically when our GitLab mirror is up <fluffypony> it'll have clearnet / Tor / i2p mirrors <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok then. I've missed any discussions about that in the past, is there an ETA? <fluffypony> not at the moment - it's one of those "on the list" things, I lack the time to knuckle down and do it <fluffypony> we need a devops team :-P <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Indeed. Ok, I'll add a note in ticket. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] To whom should we assign #90 then? <fluffypony> me <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, will do. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Yay, hour long of fluffypony tickets finally tackled! I'm glad we finally had the time. Any other comments them? <fluffypony> none from my side <meeting-bot> [anonimal] So, since this was the "fluffypony show" meeting, for time-sake I'll sum up my part of 1. with one line: <meeting-bot> [anonimal] I'm not working on any tickets ATM but what will most likely be a new ticket soon as I'm working on Transports (mostly NTCP, little SSU): debugging/refactoring/c++14 refactoring where appropriate/some rewrite/some new code/documentation/improved logging <meeting-bot> [anonimal] So, that's that for now, I'm sure more code talk can be at the next meeting. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Any additional meeting items (quickly)? <fluffypony> nothing more from me <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Re: StackExchange, what tl;dr can I give to #i2p-dev? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Aside from pointing a link to the meeting log. <meeting-bot> [anonimal] (I've been out of the loop re: the initiative) <xmrpromotions> Just say that we are willing to cross promote it to XMR community and expect it to reach the commitment stage fairly fasy <xmrpromotions> fast <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] just that it's a proposal to have an i2p-specific StackExchange area <meeting-bot> [anonimal] So, what should we expect from them? <xmrpromotions> from there the I2P and XMR communities can help each other ensure both site reach beta <hyc> if kovri mtg is done, a comment on monero perf auto-convert. we know that for 32bit the conversion will fail due to a too-large txn when deleting one of the txs indices <xmrpromotions> Hard for me to make an ETA on that. End result would be an I2P site similar to what Tor has now <hyc> aside from that has anyone determined whether the convert errors were only in the old migrator code, or have they had problems with the newest code? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] fluffypony: should we end meeting? <meeting-bot> [anonimal] (or has it ended?) <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] yes I think so <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] I'll take the bot down <xmrpromotions> We need I2P experts to appear during the proposal stage once created to ask good questions <xmrpromotions> early questions attract a lot more votes and rise to the top, so quality matters <meeting-bot> [anonimal] Ok, I'll chat in #monero-dev. <fluffypony> hyc: there were two people who encountered issues after we merged into master, and I don't think they were testing anything pre-merge <fluffypony> so newest code <hyc> ok <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} * thinking <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} xmrpromotions: I can commit to both pages. How many I2P 'experts' would need to commit? <xmrpromotions> well we need 40 good questions. each person can only ask 5 <fluffypony> well before commitment it's just the voting section <xmrpromotions> Our initial 40 questions will help with SEO after launch <fluffypony> where we need not only good questions asked, but also good questions have to get 10 votes each <xmrpromotions> Yes I mean we need to create quality questions to vote on <xmrpromotions> If someone wants to create a list of 40 great questions that would be perfect <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} 40 great I2P questions, I could do that. <fluffypony> they still have to post them though <xmrpromotions> then we can divide it up and ask 5 each to make sure no silly questions gain a lot of votes early in the process <xmrpromotions> we can find 8 people to post 5 questions each easily <fluffypony> yup <fluffypony> yeah, then we need a bunch of people to upvote :) <xmrpromotions> I dont think voting will be a problem either. XMR users with no rep can be assigned to ask the questions... that will give them 5x10x5 rep (250 each) <xmrpromotions> which will give them more than enough for the 200 rep area 51 cutoff for the SE 100 rep account association bonus <fluffypony> strategyyyy <xmrpromotions> 5q with 10 votes each will earn 5 rep per vote <i2p-relay> {-anonimal} Ok, sounds great. Right now, I need to finish post-meeting wrap-up, take a break, get my brain in order and bbl. <fluffypony> ok cool <xmrpromotions> I will make a post in the getmonero forums. Maybe we can create and agree on a list of 40 questions there before we start <xmrpromotions> thanks everyone. have a great weekend <fluffypony> cheers