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<anonimal> 1. Greetings <anonimal> 2. Brief review of what's been completed since the previous meeting <anonimal> 3. Code + ticket discussion / Q & A <anonimal> 4. Any additional meeting items <anonimal> 5. Confirm next meeting date/time <anonimal> 1. <anonimal> Hello <i2p-relay> {-olark} greetings <anonimal> 'Hola' as hyc would say right now <Slack> [endogenic] Hi! <i2p-relay> {-guzzi} hi <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} Hi <anonimal> 2. Brief review of what's been completed since the previous meeting <anonimal> Our last meeting was on November 27th, 2016 so, nothing can be "brief" about a review. <anonimal> There were holidays, etc, so there was a leave of absence but development is going strong. <anonimal> All I can say is if anyone is really interested, we have git-log and github (kovri + meta), my fork, and https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/86967/anonimal-s-kovri-full-time-development-funding-thread for any TL;DR <anonimal> I'm also have uncommitted work, finishing up the crypto impl refactor + testing for this new exception dispatcher. <anonimal> JFTR: of the thousands of lines of code that we forked from, almost none of it handled exceptions. All this spaghetti code, and that guy did not even have a basic grasp of design with exception handling in mind. Literally, much of the core code is still stringed together with the hope that it won't fail. I hate it. It's always been like walking on glass, but a real fix will take time. So, I've started in <anonimal> that direction at least in terms of getting exceptions handled or handled better. <anonimal> We have two new contributors: MoroccanMalinois and Chris Barry (lazygravy), and EinMbyte and olark have returned. <anonimal> At this point I think a Q&A for "brief review" would be best. <hyc> that summary is pretty scary <anonimal> lol <anonimal> Good scary, I hope? <hyc> ;) <anonimal> :) <hyc> it points in a good direction <anonimal> Good, I hope so! <DaveyJones> sounds like bytecoin code :D <i2p-relay> {-olark} The i2pd situation was interesting to say the least :p <anonimal> Or more aptly titled: "why2pd". <Slack> [endogenic] Total kovri noob here. Not looked at the code yet. Is there any significant future use case for kovri libraries? Is it worth doing upfront? sits back down <anonimal> Monero. That's the biggest future use-case so far. <i2p-relay> {-olark} I would like to see a future where kovri would be the go to i2p router for implementing into applications <i2p-relay> {-olark} Instead of tor <i2p-relay> {-olark} blegh <i2p-relay> {-olark} Monero obviously first though ;) <hyc> makes sense. tor was created for the gov't after all <i2p-relay> {-olark} Yep <DaveyJones> if it will do good for cash/monero i guess those use cases will follow by time <anonimal> Everyone seems to be ecstatic about libkovri but I must stress that this is a sensitive network so, the lib should be used with that in mind. <anonimal> Tor doesn't have this issue. All that work is upon the relays. <i2p-relay> {-olark} True <anonimal> Simply shutting down the router when it's most convenient has a negative impact on the network and anonymity. The API needs to take this into consideration as will any applications. <anonimal> I can get into details, not meeting worthy. endogenic I don't think I answered your question well enough, I hope I can do better after the meeting. <anonimal> Any questions about "brief review"? <i2p-relay> {-olark} Hang around in #kovri endogenic <i2p-relay> {-olark} Basically we are close to nightlies right? <anonimal> ^ #kovri-dev is more informative <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {Slack} [endogenic] i’m here <i2p-relay> {-olark} :) <anonimal> Yes, nightlies are technically available https://build.getmonero.org/waterfall <anonimal>but <anonimal> pigeons and I are working out packaging details. <i2p-relay> {-olark} ok <anonimal> Right now they all run a hacked makeself installer. So, download -> chmod +x -> run the installer. <anonimal> Windows requires msys2, this is silly so I think we can do a windows installer method (I posted details in the meta repo) <i2p-relay> {-olark} nice <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] Hi, sorry for being late <Slack> [needmultisig90] oh its being relayed <Slack> [needmultisig90] neat <anonimal> needmultisig90 wants to head up the packaging front. needmultisig90: if you aren't watching the meta repo, I highly recommend that. <Slack> [needmultisig90] link pls <anonimal>https://github.com/monero-project/meta <anonimal> If you review the issues, you'll see where are on packaging. <anonimal> where we are <Slack> [needmultisig90] Added, will do <anonimal> I don't want to shortchange the work that's been done since the last meeting, any more Q&A before moving onto the next point? * anonimal thinks too <anonimal> Oh, yes, another new contributor alvinjoelsantos (I don't know if he's around) <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {Slack} [needmultisig90] ajs is cool <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {Slack} [needmultisig90] @ajs <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {Slack} [needmultisig90] he appears to be online <anonimal> Oh, that's ajs, excellent. <i2p-relay> {-olark} Good to have new blood :) <anonimal> ajs wanted to work on the website too, IIRC? <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {Slack} [needmultisig90] he's working with me on /r/moneromarket <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {Slack} [needmultisig90] I believe so <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {Slack} [needmultisig90] he has a background in law <anonimal> "I am the law!" <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {Slack} [needmultisig90] and was working with OpenBazaar on drafting up arbitration agreements IIRC <Slack> [jollymort] also on the monero stealth addresses script : ) <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {Slack} [needmultisig90] he can correct me <anonimal> Have him take a look at /r/Kovri <bigreddmachine> does the website exist? i'm happy to help add content and such <anonimal> bigreddmachine: we all need to tackle fluffypony because he's been coveting the website idea since we started <anonimal> "MY PRECIOUS!" <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] bigreddmachine: yes <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] I moved laptops and so now half my stuff lives on my old one <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] I'll try consolidate and push it up this week <bigreddmachine> okay, just wanted to make sure i hadn't missed something. i'll watch the repo - going under getmonero.org or as a separate repo/site? <anonimal> Last call for point 2. "brief review" <anonimal> bigreddmachine: while you're here, we did make some progress on Salti. Any news from upstream on their API? <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] bigreddmachine: same design, new content, linked from the getmonero menu bar <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] Progress on salti? <anonimal> EinMByte: yes, have you read some of the conversation in the open salti issue? <bigreddmachine> anonimal: i've been tracking the open tickets but everything got held during holidays. nothing there yet, but i might make a proof of concept for chromium if there'd be interest <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] "some of" yes, that sounds about right <anonimal> bigreddmachine: sounds great <anonimal> EinMByte: most of the collaboration was in IRC, not in issue. <bigreddmachine> it would be easy enough to port to firefox + tbb once they finish webrequests.proxy <anonimal> bigreddmachine: will you open FFS for this? I think it's worth it. <bigreddmachine> for the chromium part? or ff/tbb? * anonimal shrugs <bigreddmachine> i don't feel comfortable proposing something that at the moment isn't possible and relies on mozilla dev community before it can get started... <anonimal> Ok <anonimal> Chromium PoC sounds good none-the-less. <bigreddmachine> but i will FFS it once i think it's doable <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} I would be careful with Chrome / Chromium since unlike Firefox there is no no option to disable DRM <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} The DRM could be an attack vector <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] Anything that relies on mozilla sounds bad to me <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} Firefox and clones are fine <bigreddmachine> ArticMine - DRM isn't included in chromium afaik. chromium is only open source code. <bigreddmachine> ... at least that's always been my understanding. <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] Firefox is fine, of course, and preferably we should use Firefox (or at least that was the initial idea) <bigreddmachine> anyway, we can discuss details after the meeting if there's interest. don't want to hold up anonimal <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] but relying on mozilla to move... probably not going to happen <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine}https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=686430 <pigeons> no chromium is even binary blobs download at compiletime <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} The DRM in Chrome is currently an issue in Chromium <anonimal> bigreddmachine: this is technically "3. Code + ticket discussion / Q & A" so we can chrome-it-up if needed. <anonimal> Any other comments on Salti? <bigreddmachine> okay - maybe a chromium POC would need to stay just that, a POC, and never production. <anonimal> Something to play with at least, I'm up for that. <bigreddmachine> "Any other comments on Salti?" --> just that i'll keep trying webRequests.proxy <anonimal> Ok, thank you. That sounds ideal AFAICT. <anonimal> Onto other code + ticket discussion: <anonimal> Since I have no questions for myself, any Q&A? <anonimal> Open PR from guzzi, ETA for completion? <Slack> [moroccanmalinois] hi guys, guzzi are you interested in #399 ? i may give it a shot if you are not <anonimal> Oooo #399, my favourite. <i2p-relay> {-guzzi} * anonimal, this week on PR <i2p-relay> {-guzzi} * checks 399 <anonimal> moroccanmalinois: ironically, I highly encouraged guzzi to get started on that after we merged his PR. <meeting-bot> [olark] I'll leave what I have to say for after. <meeting-bot> [olark] Unless there are no questions people have about kovri <anonimal> moroccanmalinois: but now that he will be funded, I would ask him to contribute partly to that and help me with many other areas instead <Slack> [moroccanmalinois] @anonimal "easiest" one i find <i2p-relay> {-guzzi} sounds like a plan. <anonimal> I mean, I can't speak for either of you; please do it! <anonimal> Ok, so moroccanmalinois is on #399 now? <Slack> [moroccanmalinois] my pleasure if guzzi is fine with it <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] Do we still have important SSU issues open? <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] Might take a look in the next week <i2p-relay> {-guzzi} but converting .jar to c is a great way to learn <i2p-relay> {-guzzi} we an decide away from the meeting. <anonimal> #399 is actually great for various reasons, one of which would introduce a new dev to the purpose of libkovri-client and libkovri-core <Slack> [moroccanmalinois] cool <anonimal> EinMByte: yes, the same ones I believe since you left though I may have resolved one or two but not closed (I don't know) <anonimal> guzzi: we wouldn't be converting .jar to c <anonimal> I'll give details after the meeting <anonimal> olark did you mean monero question for after the meeting or kovri question? <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] Alright. Might do some additional refactoring, since I never completely finished that <i2p-relay> {-guzzi} oh i see just skimmed <i2p-relay> {-olark} Not so much a question but a new development that pertains to both kovri and monero :) <i2p-relay> {-olark} Something I have been thinking about while I was looking at Monero's ring signatures. <anonimal> EinMByte: that sounds great * anonimal will look at issue tracker after meeting <anonimal> Ok, anymore on 3. Code + ticket discussion / Q & A ? <anonimal> Lots of TODO's. I'm adding them like spice to bland soup. <i2p-relay> {-olark} I'll mention it in 4. <anonimal> Once I get these two branches merged, maybe someone can pick some of them up. We'll see. <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} I will bring up an item in 4 <anonimal> 30 seconds until 4. <i2p-relay> {-guzzi} i like todos <anonimal> 4. Any additional meeting items <anonimal> Floodgates opened! <anonimal> Fashion, food, travel: anything goes! <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} Yes https://www.myhackerhouse.com/windows_drm_vs_torbrowser/ <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} DRM used to attack tor in Windows <anonimal> lol <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} Cost to get Windows to trust this attack 10,000 USD <anonimal> Thanks ArticMine, looks like a great read. <anonimal> bigreddmachine: ^ <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} Should also work against i2p * anonimal will read more after meeting <anonimal> fluffypony: are you gpg verifying the kovri subscription that's hosted on github? <bigreddmachine> okay, so i'll go ahead and say that i won't officially ever support a chrome version of Salti then. <i2p-relay> {-olark} I'll let ArticMine go first * anonimal wanted to ask that in monero's meeting on the topic of github security <moneromooo> "subscription" ? <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] By the way, if anyone needs access to the salti repo, please tell me <anonimal> moneromooo: https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/blob/master/pkg/client/address_book/hosts.txt <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} My take is that any browser / OS that supports DRM is vulnerable to an attack against anonymity / IP obfuscation <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] As with many features like DRM, it's best that they're just enabled <moneromooo> Thanks. <meeting-bot> [EinMByte] *disabled LOL <anonimal> lol EinMByte <anonimal> moneromooo: the only reason I'm signing it is because fp is pulling directly from github <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} So i2p on such a platform may create a very dangerous sense of false security <anonimal> ArticMine: much like anything Windows * anonimal now windows fan <anonimal> *not <meeting-bot> [i2p-relay] {-ArticMine} Yes <anonimal> olark: 10 minutes left <anonimal> Tick tock tick tock! <anonimal> fluffypony: in addition to my ping above, is there any kovri-related news related to your conference circuit? <i2p-relay> {-olark} Salti is a good solution for now <i2p-relay> {-olark} In the future we could have our own dedicated browser <i2p-relay> {-olark} Not sure when that is viable though <i2p-relay> {-olark} ok <i2p-relay> {-olark} sorry got really bad tunnel lag <i2p-relay> {-olark} I have been thinking about how LN or something similar would work with monero <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] anonimal: just generally good chats <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] Nothing mind blowing <i2p-relay> {-olark} Once kovri gets implemented into nodes and wallets this opens the doors to some really great developments <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] Some good talk on Tor failure modes <i2p-relay> {-olark} Since we would have access to i2p for routing <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] A few people at 33c3 said that i2p was a prescient choice <pero> kovri - the prescient choice for online anonymity <i2p-relay> {-olark} It would need to be a plugin for kovri * anonimal wants Kovri's I3P technology. Trademarked, stamped, hah! <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] Hah <anonimal> I3P, your cover of choice. <i2p-relay> {-olark} Could have a client tunnel for LN functionality in wallets <i2p-relay> {-olark} Use kademlia DHT so the other "lightning" nodes know of each other <i2p-relay> {-olark} Would be able to route around centralized troublesome nodes <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] Can I shut meeting-bot down, anonimal <i2p-relay> {-olark} Fixes a lot of problems the current LN development is trying to fix <anonimal> fluffypony: 3 minutes left? <meeting-bot> [fluffypony] Kk <i2p-relay> {-olark} Don't need to build routing from scratch <i2p-relay> {-olark} Anyway it is still way to early to really till this could be possible <anonimal> olark: sounds interesting. I'd need more info to have a comment. <Snipa> moneromooo - I'll work on the isolated testnet in a bit. I apparently need to rebuild all of my monerod's w/o libunwind, or it crashes trying to init a new blockchain. So I'll have it tested a bit later today. <i2p-relay> {-olark} But there is good potential * anonimal swats Snipa <moneromooo> Cool, thanks Snipa <anonimal> Ok, one minute left. 5. Confirm next meeting date/time <anonimal> Same time, two weeks from now? <bigreddmachine> february 19? i can do that <i2p-relay> {-olark} Sounds good <anonimal> Ok, I'll post on meta repo. <anonimal> Thanks everyone!