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layout: post
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title: Logs for the Monero Research Lab Meeting Held on 2019-05-06
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summary: Sarang work, Surae work, and miscellaneous
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tags: [community, crypto, research]
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author: el00ruobuob / sarang
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# Logs
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**\<sarang>** OK, let's begin
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**\<sarang>** ping suraeNoether et al.
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**\<sarang>** First on the agenda, GREETINGS
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**\<sarang>** hello
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**\<sgp\_>** hello
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**\<sarang>** I'll wait a couple of minutes to see if others join
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**\<suraeNoether>** hey guys
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**\<suraeNoether>** thank you for your patience
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**\<sarang>** Since suraeNoether went first last time, I'll go first in the ROUNDTABLE
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**\<sarang>** the DLSAG signature paper has been submitted to a conference in a short form, and the IACR preprint is forthcoming
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**\<sarang>** Thanks to our coauthors for their excellent work on this
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**\<sarang>** The submission process is arduous and irritating
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**\<sarang>** Zcoin published an intriguing Zerocoin protocol flaw recently: https://zcoin.io/cryptographic-description-of-zerocoin-attack/
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**\<sarang>** Sooooo we won't be switching to Zerocoin anytime soon!
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**\<sarang>** My monthly report is available on CCS: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge\_requests/34#note\_5903
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**\<suraeNoether>** is there an issue with DLSAG key images that will impact the publication process?
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**\<sarang>** I updated the CLSAG protocol code to reflect key prefixing, which had been left out mistakenly
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**\<sarang>** Doubtful
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**\<sarang>** It's an interesting construction regardless
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**\<sarang>** moneromooo asked about doing a CLSAG key image offset (like we do in BPs) to save time while avoiding subgroup issues
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**\<sarang>** Doing so would save ~315 us per signature on my test machine
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**\<sarang>** But it was also noted that there could easily be room for error depending on implementation
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**\<sarang>** Note that the CLSAG test code already performs this offset on the auxiliary key image, but this isn't used for linking anyway
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**\<sarang>** I had also been interested in BP generalizations to arbitrary input lengths
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**\<sarang>** I have code for it: https://github.com/SarangNoether/skunkworks/tree/pybullet-np2
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**\<sarang>** Unfortunately this requires the verifier to compute all inner product rounds and loses computational efficiency
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**\<sarang>** It may be possible to modify the algorithm to do the single-round version, but it is not clear to me how to do so cleanly
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**\<sarang>** Currently, I'm working on updating some formal definitions for suraeNoether for CLSAG, and have been doing some code and timing tests for a paper that was presented to me
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**\<sarang>** Any particular questions on this work?
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**\<suraeNoether>** just curious when you sleep :D
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**\<sarang>** lol
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**\<sarang>** Go ahead, suraeNoether !
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**\<suraeNoether>** my update is shorter: unforgeability proof for CLSAG is nearly complete, but I'm holding off on continuing to write on this before I get some comments back from sarang. some of my protocols as described have a few mismatches with our current approaches, and I don't want to write proofs for the wrong protocols.
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**\<suraeNoether>** i'm working on my talk for the magical crypto conference (i'm leaving tomorrow for that and I'll be back home on sunday)
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**\<sarang>** Well, they'd be correct for our implementation AFAICT, but not for a neat generalization you were working on
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**\<suraeNoether>** oh! well, still
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**\<suraeNoether>** since the proofs will be for the general case
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**\<sarang>** Right
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**\<suraeNoether>** anyway, i'm also trying to solve a problem with the dlsag key images that I thought had been solved, and I'm continuing to review a semi-secret paper for a colleague
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**\<suraeNoether>** (the last semi-secret paper ended up being DLSAG, which is the groundwork for monero lightning, so y'all know if we're keeping it semi-secret it's pretty neato burrito)
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**\<dEBRUYNE>** Is that semi-secrit paper related to Monero?
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**\<suraeNoether>** my action items for today involve a breaking monero episode, further DLSAG research, further semi-secret research, and writing my MCC talk
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**\<suraeNoether>** dEBRUYNE: yes
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**\<dEBRUYNE>** Cool
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**\<suraeNoether>** but i can't go further yet
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**\<sgp\_>** when is the earliest you expect to switch back to the bipartite graph paper?
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**\<suraeNoether>** in being public about the contents, I mean
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**\<suraeNoether>** sgp\_: thank you for reminding me about that, this is an ongoing project, sgp\_, and I've been putting in work regularly on that paper to try to get my simulations working appropriately.
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**\<suraeNoether>** actually putting work regularly into the simulations, because the paper is on hold until the sims are done
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**\<suraeNoether>** sarang and I are trading some projects back and forth; when i hand him clsag or dlsag, i work on MRL11 until he hands me something back, and it's like the tides
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**\<suraeNoether>** :P
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**\<suraeNoether>** i don't have a good timeline on completing it and getting results, however
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**\<sgp\_>** All I'm doing is making sure is that it doesn't fall by the wayside. There are a million things to do, I just want to make sure this remains in the top 3
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**\<suraeNoether>** ^ absolutely
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**\<suraeNoether>** i'll make a little descriptive blurb and make a link to it here later today so that people can see the current state of the thing
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**\<sarang>** perfect
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**\<sarang>** Any other questions for suraeNoether ?
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**\<suraeNoether>** i want to ensure that folks in the community are aware of the progress on each of these projects, and we definitely have a \*lot\* of projects/spinning plates
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**\<sarang>** If anyone else has relevant research to present, now is a great time
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**\<sgp\_>** none from me. looking forward to seeing the MCC recording/slides
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**\<sarang>** As am I
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**\<sarang>** Ok, how about ACTION ITEMS
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**\<sarang>** I'll be rewriting some definitions today to streamline suraeNoether's CLSAG generalization for the proofs
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**\<sarang>** Finishing up that timing data I mentioned earlier
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**\<sarang>** getting another couple of Breaking Monero out the door
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**\<sarang>** Reviewing some output selection stuff
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**\<sarang>** etc.
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**\<sarang>** Others?
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**\<suraeNoether>** I mentioned mine already
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**\<sarang>** that you did
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**\<suraeNoether>** and sgp\_ reminded me to re-add matching to my list
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**\<suraeNoether>** does anyone have any questions about konferenco or complaints or more action items to be added to the list of stuff to do for the research conference?
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**\<suraeNoether>** i'm asking this because sgp\_ just reminded me how human and fallible my memory is for big lists of stuff to do :D
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**\<sarang>** The speaking agenda for the conference is all set?
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**\<suraeNoether>** yep, i believe i'm waiting on two TBA titles. i need to add two sponsors to our list, Tari and Symas
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**\<sarang>** I'm excited to speak and serve as panel moderator
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**\<suraeNoether>** those sponsors are on the t-shirt design, but not the website
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**\<suraeNoether>** oh man that's going to be a good panel
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**\<suraeNoether>** i'm anticipating pretty rough questions for Voorhees and Gavigan actually
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**\<sarang>** FYI questions for the panel will be submitted by the audience and then selected by moderators
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**\<sarang>** to ensure quality and avoid the inevitable "a few follow-up questions..."
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**\<sarang>** Since we have time, here's an open question... now that the next point release is being finalized, any thoughts from the room about desired changes for the next network upgrade?
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**\<suraeNoether>** ^ i'm curious about this a lot
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**\<suraeNoether>** the other day sarang asked me what i want to see in the next upgrade
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**\<sgp\_>** another ringsize revisit. 2 output min. payment ID stuff
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**\<suraeNoether>** the next big change i want to see is CLSAG, since it'll be basically cutting our blockchain rate of growth by half
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**\<sarang>** 25%
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**\<suraeNoether>** but 2-out min and deprecating pay\_id is on my list also
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**\<sarang>** ish
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**\<suraeNoether>** oh yeah there are some constants
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**\<sgp\_>** any chance for dandelion++? I don't know how long this would take
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**\<sarang>** Probably not by fall, but it's not consensus
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**\<sarang>** any client release could do it
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**\<sgp\_>** right, jut curious
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**\<sgp\_>** are you anticipating any work on your end for RandomX? code is frozen and needs to be reviewed
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**\<suraeNoether>** i heard a rumor that tari is looking into ristretto and monero's protocol
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**\<suraeNoether>** i'm thinking we should invite someone from tari to give us an update on that for the meeting after next or something like that
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**\<sarang>** sgp\_: I'm working with hyc to solicit statements of work from reviewers
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**\<sarang>** We have 4 interested firms
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**\<sgp\_>** great!
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**\<sarang>** Once we get publicly-releasable statements we can put them on GitHub
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**\<sgp\_>** do you expect those within the month?
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**\<sarang>** yes
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**\<suraeNoether>** i'm very excited about that
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**\<suraeNoether>** are the firms all auditing firms? should we consider trying to bring in a hardware firm to assess that end of the implementation?
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**\<suraeNoether>** like, code-auditing i mean
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**\<sarang>** We're getting reviewers with backgrounds in hardware design
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**\<sarang>** It's tough because at some level "can this be built into hardware efficiently" is answered by designing such hardware
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**\<sarang>** Part of the process will be getting feedback on which reviewers' experience aligns most closely with our goals
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**\<suraeNoether>** fair nuff
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**\<sgp\_>** I don't have any other consensus-related questions and comments
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**\<sarang>** Anyone else have any?
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**\<sarang>** Righto!
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**\<sarang>** In that case, thanks to everyone for participating today. Logs will be posted shortly to the GitHub agenda issue
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**\<sgp\_>** I have a really quick announcement
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**\<sarang>** sure
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**\<sgp\_>** If you are interested in speaking, running a workshop, and/or volunteering at the Monero Village at Defcon in August, please fill out the CFP by June 3: http://monerovillage.org
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**\<sgp\_>** We already have some good submissions
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**\<sgp\_>** (done)
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**\<sarang>** When https?
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**\<sgp\_>** whenever rehrar gets the time
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**\<sarang>** :D
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**\<sarang>** OK, we are now adjourned
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