<rehrar> 0. Introduction <rehrar> Hello and welcome to the Community Workgroup Gameshow (CWG)! I'm your host, Diego Salazar, and we've got a great show planned for you all tonight. <rehrar> Let's meet our contestants. <rehrar> 1. Greetings <intj440> Hi <jwinterm> buen sabado todos <selsta> hi <i_a> ahoy <rottensox> salutations. <nioc> i'm napping <rottensox> where's needmonero90. <rehrar> Got us a lively group, don't we? Let's see how they handle the challenges to come. <rehrar> 2. Community highlights
* needmonero90 sighs <ajs> i'll take geography for 500 rehrar <rehrar> All points go to Diego who writes the Revuo Monero which you can see at https://revuo-monero.com <rehrar> We also released the July 1, 2019 - December 31, 2019 periodical <rehrar> Does anyone have anything in particular they want to highlight about this past couple of weeks? <needmonero90> price go up <jwinterm> cake wallet has been doing a nice job of getting people with breasts to post images of themselves wearing cake wallet t-shirts on tweeter <rottensox> lol. <jwinterm> other than that I got nothing <rehrar> ...when in the land of the nerds <endogenic> i've been working on something very exciting <endogenic> i'm only going to tell rehrar about it <rehrar> endogenic: want to share? <rottensox> boo! <endogenic> because i'm only friends with him <rottensox> double boo! <dandums> 43770 <rehrar> ooooh, bonus points for endogenic <endogenic> yessss <rehrar> 3. CCS updates <endogenic> haha i'll share real soon rottensox <rehrar> We got a few things in funding. Fund Xiphon plz <rehrar> Xiphon is the bees knees and does great work. selsta will now give a short speech/poem about Xiphon's contributions. <endogenic> been hanging with some crytocurrency groups in SF as well. we may see some movement <selsta> he is doing important GUI work :P <rehrar> clap clap <selsta> like improving stability, speed, etc. <rehrar> truly a man with a mastery of words. Thank you selsta. <selsta> sorry I’m currently eating :P <rottensox> lol. <rehrar> vtnerd? sarang? suraeNoether? anybody here with a report on CCS activities? <sarang> More math, more data, more fun <sarang> Using chain data to get better comparisons of next-gen tx protocols, etc. <rehrar> Sarang Noether, ladies and gentlemen <endogenic> i like sarang <sarang> Aw shucks <sarang> A few other assorted code updates, and so on <rehrar> thank you. Any other CCS updates? <endogenic> in other news mymonero continues not to ask the community for money <endogenic>😂 <rehrar> 4. Workgroup reports <rehrar> 4a. Daemon/CLI scrubs <rehrar> anyone here from them that can say what you've been up to? merged things? pr'd things? <rehrar> 4b. Localization <rehrar> ErCiccione[m]? you around? <rehrar> lol. Zero points for everyone. <rehrar> I do know they now have Weblate working with the website, so translate.getmonero.org for that stuffs <rehrar> c. GUI workgroup <rehrar> selsta: what's the word? <selsta> see https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/pulls?utf8=✓&q=is%3Apr for recent activity <rehrar> what an informative meeting this is so far <rottensox> lol. <endogenic> dont mean to jump in but have to run. check out my upcoming monerotalk interview - i made some technical announcements <rehrar> aight cya <selsta> when is it coming out <endogenic> like stuff we've been workin on a long time <selsta> the interview <endogenic> ah i dunno. it was about a week aho <endogenic> ago <selsta> ok so soon :P <endogenic> y'all remember when adding wallets to an app took 6 mos? <endogenic> like jaxx? haha <endogenic> well that's 1 day now <endogenic> tbh i actually already open sourced some stuff quietly <endogenic> but this is not the really exciting upcomign thing <endogenic> time to go tell diego in private <endogenic> haha <selsta> are you going to announce it in the interview? <selsta> or still secret :P <rehrar> 4d. Outreach workgroup <rehrar> I don't think any of them piped up either <needmonero90> :( <rehrar> Thunderosa, xmrhaelan? <rehrar> e. Monero Research Lab <endogenic> selsta heya it's not announced in the interview no <rehrar> sarang kinda already did it. <sarang> :) <rehrar> I jumped the gun. We blazing through this meeting. <rehrar> let's get us all home <rehrar> f. Website workgroup <rehrar> ErCiccione[m]: isn't here so we can skip this one too <rehrar> woot. The best kinds of meetings. <needmonero90> efficient meeting <shillo> I have nothing useful to add besides mentioning that rehrar is doing a great job running this meeting even though people are slow to respond. If he waits long enough I'm sure everything will be covered in due time <rehrar> 5. Open ideas time <rehrar> 5a. Moneroversary. <rehrar> We doing anything? Party? Who's bringing the beer? <endogenic> i'ma chat w sgp about a ton of ideas i have for that <rehrar> perfect. in fact, let's take all discussion offline for efficiency sake <rehrar> next meeting will be held over PMs <endogenic> hahaha <endogenic> it's a private meeting <rehrar> Any of you bozos have any ideas for open ideas time? <rehrar> I have something if nobody else does. <endogenic> you go first <rehrar> There was some discussion and a twitter thread about some individuals wishing Defcon villages would go back to their roots of being more hands-on rather than talk focused. <rehrar> Now Defcon is still a ways away, but if they have us back again, I'd like to see our village go in that direction. <rehrar> Less talks. WAAAAY less talks. In fact, most of the talks can be the same talk given multiple times a day for people that can't make other times. "What is Monero?" given by different people or whatever. <rehrar> More workshops. How to use the wallet. How to secure your seed. How to use a hardware wallet. <dEBRUYNE> Can we allocate some time to discuss the addition of 'Reasonably' on the website? <rehrar> dEBRUYNE: sure <rottensox> how to lose your private key in a boating accident. <rehrar> That's basically it from me. More discussions will develop in #monero-defcon when it's time, I think. <rehrar> dEBRUYNE: take it away <rehrar> lol, ok shall I start the discussion then? <dEBRUYNE> Sorry, didn't see the ping <dEBRUYNE> Anyway, I think, similar to the guy that posted on reddit, that we shouldn't add an adjective on the website, regardless of which it is <dEBRUYNE> Simply 'private' is sufficient. In my opinion, it does not provide a privacy guarantee <dEBRUYNE> Furthermore, we can add a disclaimer link that provides elaboration <dEBRUYNE> The optics of 'reasonably' are quite bad in my opinion and it leaves a lot of new people guessing what it might entail <intj440> +1 <nioc> dEBRUYNE: agree <rehrar> We can also remove the "A" and just end up with "Private Digital Currency" <rehrar> which, surprise is what was there to begin with :D <jwinterm> a somewhat private with several important caveats that users should be aware of digital currency <jwinterm> has a nice ring to it <rehrar> any other opinions? differing or otherwise? <rottensox> jwinterm: tl;dr. <dEBRUYNE> What would be the point of removing 'A' rehrar? <rottensox> private digital currency is simple and effective. don't look for the 5th leg in the cat. <dEBRUYNE> Or is my sarcasm detector broken here :p <rehrar> not sarcasm, what's the point of keeping it? <jwinterm> 'A' is extraneous <shillo> I'd remove the "A" <rehrar> it's implied, yes <rehrar> unless..... <rehrar> if we want an article <jwinterm> I agree an article is unnecessary <rehrar> THE private digital currency <jwinterm> unless you use 'The' <rehrar> ^ <jwinterm> rehrar and I are actually the same person <rottensox> impossible. <rehrar> if jwinterm does squats, then it's literally true <jwinterm> nah I'm fat and lazy <rehrar> alright, so the present group is pretty much in agreement to remove "reasonably" <rehrar> any other points of discussion or ideas? <rehrar> if not, next meeting 29th. Same time.j <SerHack> Yes, rehrar! I've submitted my third CCS for Monero integrations <SerHack>https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge_requests/125 <sarang> Phrasings like "private" and "untraceable" are not useful without a lot of context <rehrar> ah, cool, go comment on that then everyone <rehrar> remove private leaves "Digital Currency" <SerHack> There you may find all the information about my CCS. If you have any question, or any additional feature request, please leave a comment! <dEBRUYNE> sarang: Hence my suggestion to add a direct link to a disclaimer page <rehrar> Like some people say, probably better for it to be a link that takes to qualifications <rehrar> ye <sarang> It's not just the tagline... the homepage also says matter-of-fact phrasings like "Monero is private" and "Monero is untraceable" <sarang> There's nuance and use cases etc. that affect those things <rehrar> every word should be a link to a disclaimer <rehrar> although I think we should move untraceable <shillo> just hire a lawyer to decide how it should be phrased <rehrar> I honestly think at some point we need to do a deep rethink of Monero's branding <rehrar> I'm sure there's a good, snappy way to convey the message of Monero without a. overhyping us, b. underselling what makes us great <rehrar> but it needs work, and a couple of tweaks isn't going to do it <nioc> shillo: lol <wampum> womanero <rehrar> alright, meeting adjourned