Overview and Logs for the Dev Meeting Held on 2019-07-14
Development status, Code & ticket discussion, and miscellaneous
dev diaries
core
crypto
el00ruobuob / rehrar
Logs
<dEBRUYNE> Guess we can start, anyone else here? ping moneromooo, rbrunner, selsta, dsc_, vtnerd, woodser, hyc, jtgrassie, fluffypony, luigi1111, smooth <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Yes meeting. IRC problems. Sec. <dEBRUYNE> probably forgot some people <fluffypony> here <dEBRUYNE> sarang and suraeNoether of course <moneromooo> I am. <rbrunner> Here of course, where else <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Tor rejecting my login attempts. <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> But present. <dEBRUYNE> rehrar, you may lead <moneromooo> If ypu have a "tor account", that was some phishing site ^_^ <italocoin> :)) <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> moneromooo, it's my SASL. Broken for some reason. Will fix later. <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Anyways. Greetings is done. <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> So 2. What's been completed since previous meeting. <jtgrassie> woodser: inc/exc PR moneromooo mentioned https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/5598 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Anyone have an update? CLI stuff? GUI stuff? <dsc_> This week ill work closely with Selsta on things concerning GUI <moneromooo> More work on share-rpc. More work on banning subnets. Mostly. <rbrunner> I had a little success today, with making Windows GUI installer builds reproducible, with several people confirming the same hash: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/cd0snl/help_test_reproducible_windows_gui_installer/ <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> dsc_ as opposed to other weeks when you don't work closely with selsta on things concerning GUI? <dEBRUYNE> To add to the GUI, dsc_ opened a few pull request to improve Tails support <italocoin> dsc_ i've tested GUI and works well, any known bugs? <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> rbrunner what's the time frame you want for that? I can put it in the next Revuo as a volunteer opportunity, but they come out on Thursdays. <dEBRUYNE> xiphon made a pull request to properly store the integrated address (previously it was stored as plain address + short encrypted payment ID) <rbrunner> Not sure what you mean about volunteers. I think confirmation is already here, see the posts in that thread <dsc_> italocoin: There are always some bugs but must say latest release was a solid one. For problems best to visit our issue tracker. <dsc_> rehrar: Yes, exactly <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> rbrunner, noted. Thanks for the info. <italocoin> dsc_ one thing that i think we should worok on, is that when you send yourself a payment, it should be a small note there that was sent to yourself, if not you get sent 0 <dsc_> italocoin: this has been reported by kico earlier, I believe <italocoin> that confuses some people <italocoin> Oh kk <rbrunner> I think the CLI does the same <italocoin> true <rbrunner> also a little confusing, at least at first <moneromooo> It is impossible to distinguish change from non change, so if you rescan, the amount would change. <italocoin> for regular people it is confusing for sure, my idea would be just to add a note that was sent to yourself and just show the fee or someting like that <moneromooo> Though... stoffu made some change to the derivations when he introduced subaddresses, and it might be that they can be distinguished nowadays... <italocoin> moneromooo: if its sent to subaddress i think you are right, but if the wallet gets rescaned or created again, the 0 its unavoidable i think <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Alright nothing else? <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Oops. Stupid delay. <rehrar> from the ashes I rise <rehrar> ok, next topic <fluffypony> release? <moneromooo> Oh yes please <rehrar> sure <rehrar> fluffypony: take it away? <moneromooo> Are you still waiting on the bsd patch, or can that be left out for now ? <fluffypony> I mean, it would be advantageous to have it <fluffypony> but if it's going to take more than a few days let's just leave it <moneromooo> IIRC TheCharlatan said it was a non trivial amount of work. <moneromooo> Dunno how far it is though. <fluffypony> ok maybe he comments in the next 24 hours <rbrunner> "Release" would be already 0.14.1.1 then? <fluffypony> yes <fluffypony> would the GUI need a point release too? <dsc_> Don't think so. Selsta: ping <selsta> yes <dsc_> yes? <selsta> I mean yes GUI would need a point release too. <selsta> We embed the daemon so all the bugs that get fixed on CLI side effects us too. <rehrar> Ok, anything else you want for the discussion on the point release fluffypony? <dsc_> Ah ok, I was more thinking about any death threatening GUI bugs. <fluffypony> moneromooo: what merges are you waiting for? <moneromooo> I think they're all merged by luigi1111w now. The one I had been thinking about was 5363, but given I've just had to rewrite a fair bit of it, I think I'll leave it. <moneromooo> So from my side, we have all we need. <fluffypony> ok so just version bump? <moneromooo> And maybe some more hashes (with a bit more slack than last time maybe). <fluffypony> kk <rehrar> Is it possible for us to discuss the October fork? <fluffypony> should we set a threshold? <rehrar> Just like, prelim stuff <fluffypony> for hashes I mean <moneromooo> Last time was a day IIRC, that seemed little to me. <moneromooo> I suppose we should not see a day's reorg but still <fluffypony> ok let's say 48 hours from the time of the commit <fluffypony> that gives us a buffer coz it still needs to be built by a bunch of people etc <moneromooo> OK. <rehrar> gucci? <dEBRUYNE> I guess once fluffypony sets the 0.14.1.1 tag, people can already start their determinisitc build processes and publish the hashes <moneromooo> versace. <dEBRUYNE> The more results the better <fluffypony> yes <fluffypony> balenciaga <dsc_> louie <dsc_> -e +s <moneromooo> To be clear, I was talking about the embedded block hashes, not gitian hashes. <rehrar> If so, <dEBRUYNE> moneromooo: Yes, my comment was unrelated to that, should have clarified that <rehrar> Do we have a rough estimate for when "code freeze" is for this upcoming fork? <rehrar> also, I don't know if hyc is around, but with the glowing reviews of RandomX, it's looking almost positive that it's going in, yeah? <rehrar> one more to go in regards to audits <dEBRUYNE> Not sure about code freeze, but the general idea was to publish binaries way in advance of the fork right (e.g. 4-6 weeks) <dEBRUYNE> As the consensus changes are soon ready and we don't have to perform last minute tweaks <rehrar> and sarang hasn't mentioned anything about CLSAG audits, right? <rehrar> most definitely going in the fork after this one <dEBRUYNE> Yeah October seems too short for CLSAG <rehrar> alright, if no other comments, are there any other meeting items? <moneromooo> I've had people reviewing share-rpc (thanks vtnerd and stoffu), please feel free anyone else ^_^ <dEBRUYNE> I kind of wanted to ask everyone's opinion on switching to a 12 month schedule after April 2020 (so once RandomX and CLSAG are in) <dEBRUYNE> So we'd essentially only have one HF each year around Monero's birthday <moneromooo> We'll only know if we have new stuff we want to add when we get to it. <sarang> I am still in (slow) talks with potential auditors <sarang> Nobody's biting for the math review part, only implementation <sarang> So I am not expecting things will be ready for fall 2019 <dEBRUYNE> moneromooo: So you'd like to retain the 6 month schedule and skip a HF if there are no consensus changes basically? <dEBRUYNE> Or if they can wait <rehrar> RandomX will have just been implemented for six months at that part. Is that enough time to gauge it? Becasuse if not, and we move to a year schedule, then that means we wait a full year if something meh happens. <moneromooo> I find it annoying to say in advance "we'll wait that long" when we have no clue yet whether that predefined delay will be appropriate. <rbrunner> Er, that sounds a little too much theory. I don't think we would wait and not emergency-HF <rehrar> it's true that it is a year away at least, so it's hard to gauge. A lot can happen in a year. But I can appreciate dEBRUYNE just putting the feelers out <moneromooo> Oh, anyone knows of any merchant/exchange/whatever that's switched from long payment ids recently ? <rehrar> no <dEBRUYNE> A bit unrelated, but I plan to contact some staff from Bitfinex, Binance, and Bittrex on Reddit to have a chat with them about switching <dEBRUYNE> Those are basically the largest 'offenders' <moneromooo> Thanks <italocoin> RandomX: is experimental, do we have reviews from outsiders? <moneromooo> Yes, three. <moneromooo> See hyc's "RandomxAudits" github repo. <rehrar> with a fourth on the way <italocoin> trustworthy? <moneromooo> That's what you decide after reading them. <rehrar> it wasn't my grandma who audited the thing, if that helps <rehrar> either way, I think we can call it here. <italocoin> That is great news <rehrar> Discussion may, of course, continue after the fact. <italocoin> hhaha rehrar <rehrar> Thanks for attending the meeting everyone! <rehrar> have nice lives