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title: Logs for the Kovri Dev Meeting Held on 2016-06-19
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summary: Brief review of what has been completed since last meeting, C++ specific discussion, closed and open issues
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tags: [dev diaries, i2p, crypto]
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author: dEBRUYNE / fluffypony
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*June 19th, 2016*
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# Logs
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**\<fluffypony>** ok I guess we move on to Kovri - anonimal, the floor is yours
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** From agenda https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/issues/192
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 17:00 (UTC)
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 1. Greetings
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 2. Brief review of what's been completed since the previous meeting
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 3. C++ specific discussion (carried over from June 5th meeting)
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 4. Review open tickets (assigned and/or unassigned): status, code ideas (if applicable), etc.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 5. Discuss any pertinent TODO's
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 6. Any additional meeting items
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 7. Confirm next meeting date/time
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 1. Greetings
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Hi
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** EinMByte: present?
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**\<fluffypony>** there's 2x greetings?
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**\<fluffypony>** best meeting ever
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** lol
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Well, EinMByte is here but not present.
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**\<fluffypony>** k
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Moving on,
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 2. Brief review of what's been completed since the previous meeting
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** A somewhat productive two weeks in contrasting areas. Highlights include:
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** - New --log-levels runtime feature
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** - Security fix in Garlic/ElGamal
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** - New user-agent scrubber
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** - Bump to 0.9.26
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** - Coverity coverage via travis-ci (though problematic, see #209)
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** - Design refactoring, misc. refactoring, code documentation
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 6 closed issues
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 2 new standing issues
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** fluffypony: have you had a chance to complete anything since previous meeting?
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**\<fluffypony>** anonimal: like 80%-ish done with the Kovri page on the site, per the info you gave me + the docs
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**\<fluffypony>** s/page/section
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Great, I'm looking forward to it.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Do you think it will be finished before next meeting?
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**\<fluffypony>** yes definitely
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Yay, sounds exciting.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Anything else on 2.?
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Going once... going twice...
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 3. C++ specific discussion (carried over from June 5th meeting)
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Well, I was hoping to merge this in with 4. and chat with EinMByte since he said he'd be here.
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**\<fluffypony>** is this wrt the C++ standard ?
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**\<fluffypony>** or the style guide stuff?
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Anything C++, I imagined.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I was hoping to focus on C++ related to #187, but I haven't looked at #187 since it was opened.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Have any bitmonero devs taken an interest in Kovri yet?
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Its quite the beast, and needs much taming.
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**\<fluffypony>** I don't think anyone has yet
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**\<tewinget>** anonimal: passing interest at best for me
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok, good to know.
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**\<tewinget>** I more or less know what it is, but I haven't looked into tinkering with it yet.
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**\<moneromooo>** I think the problem is that the time I'd spend hacking on anything, I wouldn't spend on monero anymore :)
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**\<fluffypony>** s'true
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I totally understand.
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**\<fluffypony>** there will be a bleed area between the two when integration happens
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** That makes, so patience and persistence seems to be the key.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** \*makes sense
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Well, anonymity has a certain taste too. Maybe I'm one of the few fanatics who enjoy working on it ;)
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**\<fluffypony>** I think most of us are here because we're pro-privacy
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Anyway, I look forward to the meeting of the minds, I like what I've seen in bitmonero dev.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Yes, good point.
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**\<fluffypony>** which is awesome :)
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Anything else on 3.? Any questions?
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Alrighty, moving on,
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 4. Review open tickets (assigned and/or unassigned): status, code ideas (if applicable), etc.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Let's see,
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**\<fluffypony>** anonimal, also, if EinMbyte can't make the meeting maybe we must collate stuff and raise it on his behalf ?
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** How so?
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**\<fluffypony>** like if he just adds to the agenda then we can discuss it without him needing to be here
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok, well he's welcome to do that.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** But he and I are great at bouncing ideas off each other and getting to core issues, so I wish he would be present more often.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I see, so we'll send him a note to add to the agenda regardless of his attending?
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**\<fluffypony>** yes I think that would help, he lacks time at the moment
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok.
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** back to 4.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** #210 might be an easy fix, if any bitmonero devs want to take a peek.
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**\<fluffypony>** once you go Kovri you never go...uh...something that rhymes with Kovri
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** lol
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** That's a tough one....
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**\<fluffypony>** https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/issues/210 <- for reference
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Remaining tickets are mostly all hard-core. I'll see what I can get into before the next meeting. Obviously the big ones would be nice if I can make the time.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I may pick at #191 or #187 because I get irritated with severely broken things.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Or who knows what, the world is full of mysterious and discovery.
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**\<fluffypony>** lol
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** *mystery
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** lol
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**\<fluffypony>** invent a time machine !
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** pffffffffff
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** That would be fun.
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**\<fluffypony>** :-P
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Does anyone here work with Debian Jessie often?
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**\<fluffypony>** tewinget is an Arch user
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**\<fluffypony>** moneromooo wrote his own OS from scratch I'm sure
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**\<fluffypony>** osensei maybe
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**\<fluffypony>** but he's not around atm
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**\<moneromooo>** I use a pretty common one nowdays actually.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok just curious. Arch here so #210 will probably take more than a few moments.
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**\<fluffypony>** moneromooo: Windows XP ?
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** ^ Windows 98
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**\<moneromooo>** Good point. I guess it's not that common. I forgot about windows.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 95 was better at breaking.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok, well re: 4., fluffypony have you see #209?
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**\<fluffypony>** probably
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 50% yay because we solved the coverity/travis issue!
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**\<fluffypony>** oh yes the Coverity thing
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**\<fluffypony>** ok so plz update me - Travis builds are now work
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**\<fluffypony>** *working
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**\<fluffypony>** but Coverity isn't triggering ?
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** No, we are \*finally\* triggering, but now coverity says build is failing on their end.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** So, travis says "we're fine", coverity says "you're not fine but neither is most of my site".
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Because they really do have some issues there and support is... meh.
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**\<fluffypony>** LOL
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**\<fluffypony>** considering how long it took for their site to pick Travis up I'm not even surprised
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**\<fluffypony>** do we wait until they've fixed it, or keep pushing
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Seriously, and their "community" site is still offline despite "we'll be back in early 2016!".
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** It's June already...
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Good question,
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I can review \*why\* they think our build failed, I could even try to do it manually.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I may have to do it manually just to get things going \*or\*, it could be another travis/coverity issue (or just pure coverity).
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**\<fluffypony>** maybe we must switch to manual Coverity
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**\<fluffypony>** and just do it once every two weeks
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Sounds fair, I'll give it shot before next meeting.
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** before I forget, opens https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/issues/assigned/fluffypony
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** fluffypony: Any updates on #27?
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** knows you've been busy, simply curious
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**\<fluffypony>** anonimal: no - also, we're switching providers
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok.
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**\<fluffypony>** debating Zoho vs. FastMail
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**\<fluffypony>** ProtonMail doesn't do multiple users on a domain, unfortunately
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Hmmm...
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Pros/Cons so far re: providers?
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**\<fluffypony>** well they're mostly doing forwarding and SMTP, so it's pretty open
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**\<fluffypony>** part of the decision making is cost, part is also reliability and if they feature reasonable web interfaces for those inevitable users that don't want to use a mail client
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**\<fluffypony>** will wrap that up soon, it's on my short list
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok, good to know.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I don't have an opionion so far. If I do I'll be sure to chip in.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Is xmrpromotions there? re: #105
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**\<fluffypony>** no not online atm
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**\<fluffypony>** I'll prod them for that when I see them next
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** K.
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** typing
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I'll most likely take a look at bitmonero's 0MQ work too before next meeting (thinking of #53).
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Other than that, I may just grab some low hanging fruit before next meeting and work on the mingw build and other smaller tickets.
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**\<tewinget>** anonimal, feel free to direct any 0mq questions at ~~fluffypony~~ me
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Thanks tewinget.
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**\<fluffypony>** oh yeah speaking of
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**\<tewinget>** sad that my IRC client doesn't support strikeout...hoping someone else's does
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**\<fluffypony>** the Windows test box is borked
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**\<fluffypony>** msys2 decided to give up the ghost
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**\<fluffypony>** so doing a complete reinstall of it
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Yeah, so what happened? Any idea?
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**\<fluffypony>** no clue
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** (very strange)
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**\<tewinget>** On a scale from 1 to I hate compiling anything on Windows: I hate compiling anything on Windows.
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**\<tewinget>** it's a binary scale.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Oh windows, you never cease to disappoint me.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Anything else on 4.?
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** quick reviewing
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Hi, I'm late sorry
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** EinMByte! Welcome back.
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**\<fluffypony>** wb EinMByte
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**\<fluffypony>** still 15 minutes left :)
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** With 15 minutes or so to spare, any input? (much backlog)
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Something about #210 maybe: I'll provide some more information
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** EinMByte: before I forget and while you're here: what is your preferred/most-reliable public contact method?
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** public as in to put on a website or so, or as in where you guys can contact me
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** So we can contact you.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** And would you be interested in leaving agenda TODO's/notes in meeting tickets in case you can't make a meeting that you'd hope to make?
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Well I'll be on IRC, or else einmbyte@mail.i2p or github
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** sure
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** fluffypony: did I word that correctly?
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** EinMByte: we're still on point 4. "reviewing tickets", etc.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Is there anything you wanted to add re: SSU?
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** knows you just got back to working on it
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**\<fluffypony>** yes I think so
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Well I can give you a quick status update
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Awesome.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** So SSUSession.cpp is now using the new parsing code, except for the fragments
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** (I have the code to parse data packets, just not using it yet)
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** I am slowed down right now due to a bug, with the header I suspect
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Grrr... bugs...
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** (Rekey options being set etc when this shouldn't happen, I think it's all related)
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Well, I'll try to fix it in the next days
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** bitmonero devs: FYI, SSU is the ugly High School girl standing in the corner of the dance hall that no one will dance with because she is awkward and is a very mean person.
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**\<fluffypony>** lol
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** In other words, SSU has needed much love and I'm glad EinMByte has tackled the challenge.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Hah, nice comparison - although it does make me seem quite desperate :P
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** lol, oops. Sorry EinMByte, I didn't mean it that way :(
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Once the parsing part is done, I'll do something similar to build the packets
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Sounds great.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** How about, EinMByte dances with her because he is a leader and willing to show great sympathy to those who need it most.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** I'll write some tests, but don't expect full coverage just yet. I don't think that's a priority right now.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** And turns down the more promising dancers to make SSU work well.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** (I want to get the API started too)
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** sorry, I'm getting carried away
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Do you have an idea of schedule coming up?
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** (as in availability)
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** anonimal: You're making a lot of assumptions about my gender here :). But let's see how well that dance turns out
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I know, again my apologies.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Yes, next week I'll be mostly available (several hours per day)
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok. I'll check my IRC more frequently then.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Anything else on 4.?
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Well as I said I'll put up more info for #210
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Seems like 2 tests are failing
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Since we're out of time, I don't see much on 5. except for a couple of quirky core ones that I may get to before next meeting.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Any comments on 5.?
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**\<fluffypony>** EinMByte: well you can dance with SSUzy regardless of your gender
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** SSUzy, lol.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** fluffypony: or my ability to dance :p
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**\<fluffypony>** everyone can dance, it's just a matter of how badly (or well)
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Paraplegics?
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** doesn't do off-topic very often, quite the release.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok so if no thoughts on 5.,
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**\<fluffypony>** LOL
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**\<fluffypony>** nobody is going to attend the Kovri meeting in future :-P
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** LMAO
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** watches ship sailing away, burning in the distance
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** See you all next time in #dancing
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok, last call for 5. Discuss any pertinent TODO's
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**\<fluffypony>** I think that's it from my side
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**\<fluffypony>** lol EinMByte
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** lol, or #dancing-dev
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Well, for 5: If anyone wants to start on the API, you're welcome
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** This also applies to all (any?) monero people reading this
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Good point, that's another big item to tackle.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Since you're going to be the people using the API, making up a list of requirements would be nice
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***\<fluffypony>** kk
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 6. Any additional meeting items
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Just one from me, briefly,
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**\<fluffypony>** I think we've already discussed EinMByte's dancing enough, so nothing more from me on 6
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Forum Funding. I plan on writing up some proposals within the next month or so.
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**\<fluffypony>** kk
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** EinMByte: if you were crowdfunded on FFS, would you be able to devote any more dev time?
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** I've already told fluffypony, not really
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Ok.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** If you can build me a time machine, yes
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**\<meeting-bot> * anonimal** was planning proposals to fund my work
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Funny, fluffypony mentioned that earlier (time machine).
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**\<fluffypony>** lol
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** We should invest in one. The writing is on the wall.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Last call for 6.
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**\<fluffypony>** new project for the Monero Research Lab to tackle
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** But, as I've also told fluffypony, please do fund other programmers
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Agreed.
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Apparently you first need the programmer (before getting the money) so let's go find some C++ programmers
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** fluffypony: ^ we should devote an entire meeting to that IMHO sometime within the next few months.
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**\<fluffypony>** yeah definitely
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**\<grimpants>** would love to see a FFS proposal for kovri/i2p dev
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**\<fluffypony>** grimpants: we've had open-ended stuff before, the funds just sit there and no dev comes along - we need to first find someone interested that can price in their work, even if it's on a full time commitment for X long
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** By the way, we don't need only expert C++ programmers
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**\<fluffypony>** and then we can raise funds accordingly
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**\<grimpants>** i see
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**\<grimpants>** been a while since ive check tbh
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** We can use people who just write documentation / tests too
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** ^ which is a great way for newcomers to learn the codebase.
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**\<fluffypony>** this may not be an honourable line of thought, but I've been wondering if there's any fall-out from the issues Tor are facing that might lead to some new contributors looking at Kovri
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Good concern, I think that's very plausible.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** But the devoted C person usually scoffs at C++ and turn their nose at Java.
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**\<fluffypony>** like hyc :-P
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** I've become spoiled with STL so, I can't vouch for C devotees on more complex apps like Kovri.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** But bigger point:
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** The world needs more options, so if Tor starts to burn, another ship will be ready.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Some great minds there, so I'm not concerned about the near future.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** But that was a hefty loss on their end with the one who shall remain nameless.
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**\<fluffypony>** yeah, and the larger loss is how much emotional damage it did to people during the time it was kept hidden
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**\<fluffypony>** as a community I hope we can learn from that and call people out when they're out of line
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Yeah, everyone involved seems to have taken a loss.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** So, regarding that in relation to ship-jumpers: I think we should continue on our track of availability, professionalism, quality, code correctness and maintainability,
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**\<fluffypony>** 100%
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** But,
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** let's first get some people :)
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** devs can be strong in their ways, so being malleable is also important (but that's a given). Constant ebb and flow.
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Anything else on 6.?
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**\<fluffypony>** that's it from my side
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** 7. Confirm next meeting date/time
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Same time in two weeks?
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**\<meeting-bot> [EinMByte]** Nothing else from me
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**\<fluffypony>** yes same time in two weeks
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**\<meeting-bot> [anominal]** Alright. A million thanks to everyone.
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