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title: Logs for the Community Meeting Held on 2019-10-26
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summary: Community highlights, CCS updates, Workgroup report, 0.15 naming discussion, and miscellaneous
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tags: [dev diaries, crypto]
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author: el00ruobuob / SamsungGalaxyPlayer
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# Logs
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**\<sgp\_>** Meeting time
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**\<sgp\_>** 0. Introduction
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**\<sgp\_>** We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting!
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**\<sgp\_>** Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/405
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**\<sgp\_>** Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support. Fun fact: you are awesome :)
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**\<sgp\_>** 1. Greetings
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**\<el00ruobuob\_[m]>** Hello!
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**\<sgp\_>** ping dEBRUYNE rehrar ErCiccione[m] xmrscott[m]
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**\<ErCiccione[m]>** Hi all. Thanks for the ping sgp\_
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**\<sgp\_>** needmonero90 dsc\_ gingeropolous sarang
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**\<gingeropolous>** yo
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**\<sgp\_>** hopefully more people pour in later
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**\<sgp\_>** 2. Community highlights
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**\<sgp\_>** See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com
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**\<sgp\_>** Reminder that 0.15 is expected on October 31, with the scheduled protocol upgrade on November 30: https://getmonero.org/2019/10/01/announcement-release-0-15.html
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**\<needmonero90>** Oh, right, meetings are a thing on Saturdays
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**\<sgp\_>** The code is frozen! Get testing!
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**\<sgp\_>** We tried out a gaming session two weeks ago, and we had our coffee chat last week which was excellent despite technical challenges.
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**\<sgp\_>** Are there any outstanding questions regarding the upcoming update, or does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?
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**\<needmonero90>** Last coffee chat was packed
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**\<needmonero90>** We need that more
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**\<sgp\_>** super stacked lineup indeed :)
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**\<msvb-mob>** Hello.
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**\<needmonero90>** I expect you're going to link your poll soon enough, so I'll hold off
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**\<sgp\_>** yup :)
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**\<sgp\_>** needmonero90: can you create that update thread for exchanges in r/xmrtrader?
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**\<needmonero90>** Will do during this meeting.
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**\<sgp\_>** excellent
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**\<thunderosa>** I guess it's a community update. The new Monero Pool UI is coming out in the next few days. Half the size, twice the speed, new features etc.
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**\<sgp\_>** did someone else volunteer for the mining pool list for r/moneromining? I don't recall if I signed up for that
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**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** Hey. I'm in Mexico right now.
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**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** Won't be back home for a few hours.
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**\<needmonero90>** Okay amigo
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**\<sgp\_>** thunderosa: very cool
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**\<rottensox>** what i miss.
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**\<xmrmatterbridge> \<rehrar>** Left a comment on the meta issue of the meeting.
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**\<sgp\_>** rehrar: yes, I added a section to discuss :)
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**\<sgp\_>** let's proceed
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**\<sgp\_>** 3. CCS updates
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**\<sgp\_>** Funding required:'
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**\<sgp\_>** Rehrar to 36C3 (4.42 / 58.65) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/rehrar-36c3-expenses.html
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**\<sgp\_>** Multiple features and fixes for getmonero.org: https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/ErCiccione-website.html
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**\<sgp\_>** Ziphon’s request was overfunded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/xiphon-part-time-2.html
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**\<sgp\_>** \*xiphon
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**\<sgp\_>** Ideas (to be discussed):
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**\<sgp\_>** WIP: Norwegian translation (3 XMR): https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge\_requests/102, and
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**\<sgp\_>** moneromooo, from November 2019 (395 XMR): https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge\_requests/103
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**\<needmonero90>** Xiphon\*
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**\<needmonero90>** Oh you corrected my nad
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**\<needmonero90>** Bad
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**\<sgp\_>** any comments? or shall I take the silence as approval?
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**\<needmonero90>** My silence is approval on everything other than the rehrar funding proposal, which has its own issues that have been discussed
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**\<needmonero90>** Not sure if it's resolved, but I'll take it to back channels first
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**\<needmonero90>** (issues meaning the speed at which it was merged, potential for alternatives with lower travel fees, etc)
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**\<sgp\_>** sure, it's already been moved, so that complicates things a bit
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**\<el00ruobuob\_[m]>** i silently approve moneromooo, looking into the Norwegian.
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**\<sgp\_>** did you hope that it would be discussed during a meeting first needmonero90?
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**\<needmonero90>** I can't recall where the conversation is at, so I don't want to cover old ground
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**\<ErCiccione>** I suggested the guy for Norwegian to open the CCS and make the post on reddit, but i also asked to write references for his work. So, i'm waiting for those before i express my vote on that
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**\<needmonero90>** Just wanted to express in meeting that that particular proposal is a thorny issue
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**\<sgp\_>** all right. it was officially open for 4 days
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**\<needmonero90>** Not long enough or with enough discussion imo
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**\<sgp\_>** thanks ErCiccione. fwiw I find the asking amount for that proposal pretty reasonable
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**\<ErCiccione>** sgp\_: I agree on that.
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**\<sgp\_>** Any other CCS comments before we move on?
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**\<needmonero90>** none here
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**\<sgp\_>** 4. Workgroup report
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**\<sgp\_>** a. Daemon/CLI workgroup
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**\<sgp\_>** Code freeze. All the things happened.
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**\<needmonero90>** I was confused when I saw a reddit thread about getting translations done \*before\* the freeze (maybe I misread)
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**\<sgp\_>** most notably the pay-by-hash for remote node use PR
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**\<needmonero90>** which didnt make sense, I thought translations and stuff were ideal after the freeze
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**\<sgp\_>** needmonero90: my understanding is that there are essentially two freezes, so it depends on which one you call the "freeze." ErCiccione would be able to explain more though
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**\<needmonero90>** https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/dlxyiu/monero\_translators\_we\_need\_you\_to\_make\_one\_final/
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**\<monerobux>** [REDDIT] Monero translators, we need you to make one final sprint! The code freeze is imminent. (self.Monero) | 112 points (99.0%) | 15 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2019-10-23 - 11:33:44
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**\<needmonero90>** ah, okay
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**\<ErCiccione>** needmonero90: translations and stuff were ideal after the freeze \<- They are, but for this release the GUI has been ready for some time, with no strings added
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**\<needmonero90>** I thought code freeze meant the codebase was in a state where bugfixes and text data would be updated
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**\<needmonero90>** or, thats the ideal place
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**\<ErCiccione>** if there are no new strings we can start a bit earlier
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**\<needmonero90>** im curious when the deadlines are for translation work
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**\<ErCiccione>** the deadline was yesterday for CLI and today for GUI
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**\<xmrscott[m]>** They've both come to pass
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**\<needmonero90>** ah, so no translations in this release
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**\<needmonero90>** no more\*
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**\<sgp\_>** there were two weblate PRs I think
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**\<sgp\_>** This brings up to b. Localization workgroup anyway
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**\<sgp\_>** \*us
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**\<ErCiccione>** needmonero90: weblate is open, if people keep translating (and approving strings), we can open another PR. But that never happens
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**\<ErCiccione>** well, it's open for the CLI. GUI is locked because i pushed the translations today and they have to be merged before i unlock it
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**\<sgp\_>** code freeze\* \*except for optimistic translations
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**\<ErCiccione>** yeah
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**\<hyc>** code freeze: no more code changes besides bugfixes
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**\<hyc>** text changes, doc changes - probably still fair game
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**\<needmonero90>** thats what I thought from past projects I've interacted with
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**\<sgp\_>** Can we take a step back and let us know how how the localization process happened this time ErCiccione? Or any other contributor
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**\<ErCiccione>** the thing is.We never had a proper code freeze, so i was usually waiting until all the features were in and then ask translators to translate,
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**\<ErCiccione>** now with an actual code freeze and release week after, we had to do things a bit earlier
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**\<ErCiccione>** sgp\_: sure
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**\<ErCiccione>** Weblate was open since i announced it. There was few activity until my last calls for translators on reddit and twitter. I gave as a deadline the day of the beginning of the code freeze. merged those, translators can keep translate,
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**\<ErCiccione>** and if there are enough strings translated i PR them to the repo (GUI or CLI) when it's possible to do so
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**\<sgp\_>** Do people like using weblate?
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**\<ErCiccione>** As far as i can see, they seem to love it
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**\<ErCiccione>** and i agree
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**\<ErCiccione>** after the release we will use it for the website as well, i don't know if i already said that
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**\<xmrscott[m]>** Very much so
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**\<sgp\_>** thanks
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**\<xmrscott[m]>** Grammatical checks and similar strings os incredibly powerful, and you don't need to find your own locally run client for those features, all browser based
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**\<sgp\_>** I'm glad people like the system. It will help make translations more approachable to people who want to help
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**\<xmrscott[m]>** We should add MyMonero app at some point too
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**\<ErCiccione>** xmrscott: today i added some more QT specific checks, should be even more accurate now
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**\<xmrscott[m]>** And as an aside to highlight how amazing it is, when I got the OpenWrt to start using it they described it as very addictive :)
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**\<ErCiccione>** about the workflow: i'm roughly using the "continuous translations" system weblate suggests https://docs.weblate.org/en/weblate-2.8/admin/continuous.html
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**\<xmrscott[m]>** My person favorite feature is the ability to get new emails when new strings are added
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**\<ErCiccione>** yeah the notification system can be personalized a lot
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**\<sgp\_>** Any other localization comments?
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**\<el00ruobuob\_[m]>** i just saw that, that's great!
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**\<sgp\_>** c. GUI workgroup
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**\<sgp\_>** GUI code freeze is today. i2p support will come in a later point release unfortunately
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**\<sgp\_>** the complexity of the code took a toll on some contributors who need more time to make it happen
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**\<sgp\_>** related note: dsc has been teasing a new non-core GUI that he made on the side
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**\<sgp\_>** Any questions? I'll do my best to answer
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**\<rottensox>** na. move on.
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**\<needmonero90>** I believe there was some discussion on renaming the GUI?
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**\<needmonero90>** idk where that went
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**\<needmonero90>** some people thought "Monero GUI" was too clinical/technical, and wanted something "warmer" for new users (my words)
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**\<sgp\_>** needmonero90: I'm going to table that discussion for this meeting, but here is the relevant naming discussion that xmrscott[m] is championing: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/384
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**\<thunderosa>** I'll just chime in with wanting to banish anything "graphical interface" because the public has never seen a non-graphical interface.
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**\<needmonero90>** wasn't trying to discuss it, just find the discussion point :)
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**\<thunderosa>** It's inside reality vs outside reality.
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**\<sgp\_>** no problem, thanks for mentioning
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**\<sgp\_>** is sarang free to do a quick MRL update?
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**\<sgp\_>** d. Monero Research Lab
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**\<sgp\_>** Surae made significant progress on his matching code, with preliminary results now available for validation. Sarang did some hard moon math. Their meeting logs are on Github under meta.
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**\<sgp\_>** We also discussed subaddress association (and the related Janus attack). See this article and the accompanying Breaking Monero episode: https://getmonero.org/2019/10/18/subaddress-janus.html
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**\<sgp\_>** if there are no other comments or questions, we can move on to 5
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**\<sgp\_>** 5. Monero 0.15 release name
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**\<sgp\_>** We need to pick a release name. To assist this, I’ve solicited feedback informally in this ranked-choice poll: https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E\_e228920d8a4d1cec&akey=ebaf2172a4c2dcc9
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**\<sgp\_>** Results:
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**\<sgp\_>** 1. Carbon Callisto
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**\<sgp\_>** 2. Carbon Comet
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**\<sgp\_>** 3. Carbon Crab
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**\<sgp\_>** 4. Carbon Chamaeleon (or Chameleon)
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**\<sgp\_>** 5. Carbon Cosmos
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**\<sgp\_>** at this point we really need to pick a name, fast
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**\<needmonero90>** I'll do a quick Telegram poll
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**\<thunderosa>** Callisto is already the name of a crypto-project. Comet or Cosmos are both strong
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**\<needmonero90>** speaking of projects with the same name, cosmos?
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**\<needmonero90>** lol
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**\<sgp\_>** I shared this on Telegram too needmonero90, but other feedback is welcome. You can point them to the same link if you like. I can keep it up for the rest of the day
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**\<thunderosa>** well, it's a little more universal I guess
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**\<darkaleph>** callisto is a little on the nose as well
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**\<rottensox>** Carbon Comet is a winner.
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**\<needmonero90>** crab too :(
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**\<sgp\_>** I'm fine with all 5 of those choices honestly
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**\<needmonero90>** though lots of elements have a C, so
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**\<sgp\_>** crab is probably my least favorite though
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**\<hyc>** I dislike COmmet / Consetllation /whatever as too generic
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**\<thunderosa>** yeah, crab = bad
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**\<needmonero90>** D:\<
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**\<needmonero90>** how dare you
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**\<needmonero90>** I'll fork off
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**\<hyc>** the name should be a specific celestial body, not a general type of object
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**\<sgp\_>** lol sorry :p
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**\<needmonero90>** crab nebula\*
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**\<needmonero90>** btw
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**\<sgp\_>** "MASSIVE Monero naming dispute"
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**\<hyc>** So Callisto, Crab, Chamaeleon are the only proper nouns in this selection
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**\<thunderosa>** Cassiopeia
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**\<el00ruobuob\_[m]>** Luna wasn't a specific celestial body hyc
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**\<hyc>** yes it is Luna is a proper name for the earth's moon
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**\<sgp\_>** hyc: I interpret the naming convention a little more loosely, so I'm ok with any of these if they make sense
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**\<sgp\_>** in some ways, the simplicity is a strength
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**\<rottensox>** luna is moon in Spanish
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**\<rottensox>** yeah, i'll see myself out.
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**\<rottensox>** Carbon Comet dammit.
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**\<sarang>** Sorry I stepped away for a moment
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**\<needmonero90>** \\o/
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**\<needmonero90>** welcome back
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**\<sgp\_>** Carbon Callisto is both simple and unique enough that it's a reasonable compromise imo
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**\<sarang>** Hit a bump in a soundness proof
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**\<sarang>** I'm working on alternate approaches
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**\<needmonero90>** sgp\_: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/callisto-network/
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**\<thunderosa>** Yeah, and it's a bullshit coin too.
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**\<needmonero90>** at rank 694 we'd trounce their SEO, so its nbd
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**\<sgp\_>** yeah I'm not too concerned about that :p
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**\<needmonero90>** after looking at it, I think using Callisto isn't a problem, even though its another crypto project
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**\<needmonero90>** my concerns are gone now
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**\<needmonero90>** https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/cosmos/
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**\<needmonero90>** that tho
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**\<needmonero90>** cosmos is out
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**\<sgp\_>** yeah, probably not the best idea
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**\<el00ruobuob\_[m]>** Carbon Crommelin Comet, abreviated in Carbon Comet ?
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**\<el00ruobuob\_[m]>** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27P/Crommelin
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**\<monerobux>** [WIKIPEDIA] 27P/Crommelin | "Comet Crommelin, also known as Comet Pons-Coggia-Winnecke-Forbes, is a periodic comet with an orbital period of almost 28 years. It fits the classical definition of a Halley-type comet with (20 years \< period \< 200 years). It is named after the British astronomer Andrew C. D. Crommelin who calculated..."
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**\<sgp\_>** Does anyone hate Carbon Callisto?
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**\<needmonero90>** the name doesnt conjure up strong feelings of space in my mind
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**\<hyc>** I'm ok with Callisto
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**\<needmonero90>** but I'm indifferent
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**\<sgp\_>** two voters who actually ranked everything in the poll rated it pretty low
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**\<thunderosa>** I've got a bad association, but it's probably personal...I'm ok.
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**\<sgp\_>** but for most people, it was the top 1-4 choices
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**\<hyc>** well, I recognize it as a moon of Jupiter so that works for me. but not much in love with it
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**\<needmonero90>** if we go with Comet, I can see some retro cleaning product advertisement pushes by outreach
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**\<hyc>** Chamaeleon is still my #1. multiple people pointed out its self-changing nature
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**\<needmonero90>** https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3c/34/2b/3c342b122549bade835eaa0fcdc906f2.jpg
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**\<needmonero90>** "with ring signatures"
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**\<thunderosa>** yeah, chamaleon is a decent choice,...it has some personality
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**\<ErCiccione>** i like Callisto
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**\<sgp\_>** The Chamaeleon / Chameleon similarities is a small weakness imo. Would be better if they were spelled the same way
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**\<needmonero90>** I have a solution
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**\<sgp\_>** lol @ comet ad needmonero90
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**\<needmonero90>** lets call it Carbon Chamæleon
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**\<sgp\_>** lol
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**\<needmonero90>** fixes all the issues :D
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**\<hyc>** ok with me. alternate spellings, easier spelling, whatever
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**\<thunderosa>** +1 Carbon Chamaleon (or however it's spelled)
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**\<sgp\_>** well, hopefully this helps Core in some way make a decision :)
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**\<needmonero90>** lets table the bikeshedding, debruyne and I will figure out a reddit thread and stuff
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**\<darkaleph>** chameleon is better then callisto but if you want heavenly bodies with a nod to rings then Cassini is cool
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**\<sgp\_>** we should move on to the final main topic
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**\<needmonero90>** nah, move back sgp
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**\<needmonero90>** sarang is here now
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**\<sgp\_>** sure, sarang do you have a quick summary?
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**\<needmonero90>** maybe he's afk again :(
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**\<sgp\_>** lol
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**\<sgp\_>** he can take the stage if he comes back
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**\<sgp\_>** 6. Extracurricular activities
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**\<sgp\_>** Rehrar asked to reserve some time for extracurricular activities. Fun things that we can do to help foster the community.
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**\<sgp\_>** We tried a gaming session that was a good start, but it wasn't too fun for viewers
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**\<sgp\_>** We still have some room to test things out there I think
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**\<sgp\_>** I recently paid for a premium Kahoot subscription for r/cryptocurrency, so we can use that for fun quizzes if we want
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**\<sgp\_>** but ultimately, what activites would be useful to help bond the community together? what would you like to see the Monero community do?
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**\<rottensox>** videogames, sports, even board games tournaments. put together by the community for the community and its users...
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**\<sgp\_>** board games are cool, but they're a little difficult to play online
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**\<rottensox>** livestreaming community members playing a videogame won't do much.
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**\<hyc>** this community isn't collected together because of gaming
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**\<sgp\_>** we probably need an announcer for the games
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**\<sgp\_>** hyc: of course not, but we're looking for other excuses to do things
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**\<rottensox>** well, I precisely said board games to do them face to face...
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**\<rottensox>** gaming can help others understand a truckload of things. through gaming you can achieve many things...
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**\<thunderosa>** I don't really like it, but gambling type stuff has been popular. Maybe that could be made to be more interactive or team-based or something.
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**\<rottensox>** there's a lot of room for us to grow. ruling out games be it videogames, board games, sports or anything you can think of is very short-sighted.
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**\<hyc>** sure. maybe you can try putting together an educational game about monero, money, finance...
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**\<sgp\_>** cooperative minko lol
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**\<rottensox>** a little guy created moneropoly...
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**\<sgp\_>** I wonder if that could somehow be done as a giveaway instead of gambling like it was done at Defcon
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**\<rottensox>** a tournament of moneropoly? :-)
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**\<sgp\_>** but I wonder how much appeal that has
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**\<el00ruobuob\_[m]>** i'm in for a moneropolly tournament
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**\<rottensox>** a set of cards whose arts are xmr-related?
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**\<thunderosa>** monopoly actually kinda words online,..more than most other games at least
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**\<rottensox>** see? there we go. interest spiking.
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**\<needmonero90>** hyc: corporations aren't collected together because of golf, but its still a fantastic excuse to do something outside of a business context in a more casual situation
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**\<rottensox>** thunderosa: you have not played moneropoly, have you?
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**\<needmonero90>** for example.
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**\<thunderosa>** no, I saw the post and thought it was a cool. I'm a Monopoly hound from way back.
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**\<sgp\_>** A Monero-themed cards against humanity could maybe work, but I think the websites that support custom cards are really dated
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**\<hyc>** you could do moneropoly with live wallets
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**\<hyc>** on testnet coins
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**\<needmonero90>** finally my testnet hoard will be useful
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**\<sarang>** Gah, i am back!
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**\<thunderosa>** well, just a $1 buy-in to play,....the pot gets split somehow with the winner and the house
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**\<sarang>** Multitasking is failing me
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**\<thunderosa>** goes to the fund or something
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**\<sgp\_>** Can we somehow make "Game of Whales" work? Somehow related to Game of Thrones
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**\<needmonero90>** more like unitasking
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**\<needmonero90>** sarang whats the summary?
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**\<rottensox>** outreach and rehrar can help these idea pan out?
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**\<needmonero90>** sgp\_: Lets discuss game stuff unlogged after-meeting :)
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**\<sarang>** I have been hard at work on a new transaction protocol
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**\<rottensox>** s/idea/ideas
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**\<monerobux>** rottensox meant to say: outreach and rehrar can help these ideas pan out?
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**\<sgp\_>** sure needmonero90. good to get some ideas rolling while people are paying attention
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**\<sarang>** A really cool multi input version works but the soundness proof does not
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**\<sarang>** A single input version does have proofs that are working
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**\<sarang>** But I would love to get the former proven properly
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**\<sarang>** It's so close
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**\<sarang>** I have a full writeup to share at Mondays meeting
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**\<needmonero90>** anything happening on the other protocol fronts?
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**\<needmonero90>** Halo, RCT3, lelantus?
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**\<needmonero90>** or are those same as before
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**\<sarang>** I want to backport some RCT3 stuff for efficiency comparisons
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**\<sarang>** Nothing new on Omniring given its batch limitations
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**\<sarang>** The RCT3 stuff was on hold due to this new protocol
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**\<sarang>** So much math to do!
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**\<rottensox>** sounds right up your alley though.
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**\<sgp\_>** Thanks sarang!
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**\<sgp\_>** Any final comments before we wrap up the meeting?
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**\<sgp\_>** Thanks for joining everyone
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**\<sgp\_>** (skipping 7. open ideas time)
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**\<el00ruobuob\_[m]>** thank you!
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**\<msvb-mob>** Thanks sgp\_, good meeting.
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**\<sgp\_>** 8. Confirm next meeting date/time
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**\<sgp\_>** The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 9 November at 17:00 UTC. Note a possible regional time change! The next Coffee Chat will be on 16 November at 16:00 UTC, but we may change the format. Stay tuned for more details.
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**\<sgp\_>** 9. Conclusion
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**\<sgp\_>** That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, and know that change starts with YOU.
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