--- layout: post title: Logs for the Community Meeting Held on 2018-02-03 summary: Community highlights, Monero Integrations, Monero outreach initiative, Forum Funding System updates, RFC-HWALLET-1, Localization workgroup, open ideas, and miscellaneous tags: [dev diaries, crypto] author: dEBRUYNE / fluffypony --- # Logs **\<sgp>** Meeting time! **\<sgp>** 0. Introduction **\<sgp>** We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Meeting! **\<sgp>** Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/170 **\<sgp>** Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support. **\<sgp>** 1. Greetings **\<xmrscott[m]>** Salutations **\<ErCiccione>** Hi **\<rehrar>** This guy **\<sgp>** @pigeons the mattermost relay is down **\<sgp>** 2. Community highlights **\<sgp>** For a great weekly summary, please read the Monero Observer: http://monero-observer.com/ **\<sgp>** 3. Monero Integrations improvements **\<sgp>** cryptochangements asked to speak for a few minutes about improvements they have made to existing integrations. **\<cryptochangement>** ok i just got here **\<cryptochangement>** didnt know mattermost was down **\<sgp>** perfect timing :) **\<cryptochangement>** okay so basically, I just wanted to share that I have improved on the wordpress plugin from serhack's last FFS and made it easier for merchants to accept Monero **\<cryptochangement>** basically it allows people to use their viewkey with a block explorer instead of an rpc waller **\<cryptochangement>** \*wallet **\<cryptochangement>** here is the reddit post I made with a video demo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/7tkpfu/accepting_monero_with_monerointegrations_just_got/ **\<cryptochangement>** and several more new merchants have already started using the upgraded version **\<cryptochangement>** there is still some concern about using a node that is not yours to validate 0 confirmation transactions which I'm still looking into, but IMO you should really just stick to the "small amounts only" rule when accepting 0 conf transactions. **\<cryptochangement>** Any questions? **\<cryptochangement>** otherwise we can move on :) **\<sgp>** Thanks cryptochangement **\<sgp>** 4. Monero outreach initiative **\<sgp>** Rehrar asked to discuss his idea about an outreach initiative for this workgroup. **\<rehrar>** yeah, and my IRC is being stupid. sec. **\<rehrar>** I'll just type from MM. **\<sgp>** Ok, looks like Mattermost relay is back up **\<cryptochangements>** ok cool **\<rehrar>** Alright, so the basic idea of this Outreach, is that we get a small subgroup of interested community members to make a list, identifying other exciting open-source projects. They don't have to be crypto or privacy created. Mostly stuff that is trying to change the world. **\<rehrar>** We then do what I'm calling a **\<rehrar>** 'Monero bomb' of this project (sorry, pressed enter by accident) **\<rehrar>** Where a bunch of us Monero people go to them, see what they need, and do it. Things like translations, website work, infographics, whatever. **\<rehrar>** Then we disappear into the night. They've just got "Monero'd" **\<rehrar>** The ultimate goal of something like this being to build bridges of relationship with the open source community at large, and solidify Monero's place there. **\<rehrar>** In its purest form, open-source is a more-or-less altruistic way to see the world change, and empower people with software, rich and poor. **\<rehrar>** In its purest form, it's not about the money. **\<rehrar>** Cryptocurrency is very strange, in that, for most projects, it's all about the money, despite being open source. It's a weird bastardization. But you see with the launch of Bitcoin, it was about changing the world by providing a better money, not about making money. **\<rehrar>** I like to think Monero subscribes to being like that. We're not about getting rich. We're about changing the world, and there's a lot of other projects that are trying to do that in small ways too **\<ArticMine>** This seems to me to e a very worthwhile project **\<rehrar>** Monero can show them some love, get our word out there and help them spread theirs at the same time. **\<rehrar>** We can help them get set up with Monero donations, etc. etc. etc. What we can accomplish for them is only limited by the skills of the volunteers we have. **\<cryptochangement>** sounds good, it would be awesome if we could get the coordination for that **\<rehrar>** This also gives a project for the many people who want to help Monero, but don't know how cuz they can't code. **\<rehrar>** Either way, that's my idea. **\<rehrar>** If we like it, I can start work on it. **\<ArticMine>** Of course we can look at Monero as a multi-billion dollar crypto-currency with an elaborate security model based entirely upon software freedom **\<cryptochangement>** I for one like it **\<cryptochangement>** looks like a small crowd today **\<sgp>** @rehrar I think the most difficult part would be finding enough participants **\<rehrar>** This is true. **\<rehrar>** Which is kind of sad, since Monero community is so big, but that's the way it goes with anything, I think. **\<cryptochangement>** I think we could easily find enough people in time, but coordinating volunteers to do stuff like that all together in a short-ish amount of time would probably be the bigger challenge **\<sgp>** Maybe a mailing list would help more than subreddit posts. Not sure **\<ArticMine>** There is also a lack of awareness in the Monero community as a whole as to the critical role Free Software and software freedom play in Monero **\<rehrar>** We can have a 'sign up sheet' where people sign up to receive emails about stuff. They say their skills, and once a month we have a new project to help. **\<cryptochangement>** the problem with a r/ post is that most people over there are just scrolling by with short attention spans **\<rehrar>** \^ ArticMine **\<rehrar>** Most people don't really understand open source as a whole. They know Monero IS open source, but they don't know the ideals of open source, and how it tries to change the world **\<cryptochangement>** the 'sign up sheet' sounds like a good idea tho **\<sgp>** @rehrar sounds good, as long as you include clear projects for beginners to work on **\<rehrar>** Then maybe we can have a sticky in the Community subreddit of the project we're helping this month **\<rehrar>** final though from me: **\<cryptochangement>** the community subbreddit is nice, but pretty small :/ **\<rehrar>** even if all this accomplishes is tiny bits of help (financial or otherwise) toward a project, the other thing it accomplishes is spreading the word of open-source as a whole to our community, and generating awareness for other projects that some in the community might find useful **\<rehrar>** it's pretty easy to 'catch the vision' of Monero, when you catch the vision of open source as well. **\<ArticMine>** ^^ This is critical **\<rehrar>** In the end, isn't that the goal of the Community workgroup? **\<rehrar>** We try to make a better community **\<rehrar>** and a better community, is a community that 'gets it' **\<sgp>** Yes, at least imo **\<ArticMine>** It can be part of the role of the Monero Community **\<rehrar>** so it makes sense that our subreddit and stuff is small **\<rehrar>** cuz not many people 'get it' ;) **\<sgp>** @rehrar part of it is me mostly using the subreddit only for announcements **\<rehrar>** Either way, once again, it will make an outward focus for Monero instead of just an inward ones, which will set us apart from other crypto projects. **\<rehrar>** *bows* thank you **\<cryptochangement>** *applauds* **\<rehrar>** (my rant for the meeting) **\<ArticMine>** To me it is a recognition o the debt Monero own the FLOSS communities **\<ArticMine>** owes **\<sgp>** Yeah, I think it's a good project to have **\<serhack>** hi :) **\<sgp>** Anything else? What do you need to get started @rehrar? **\<rehrar>** I guess some volunteers to work with me to start compiling a list. :) **\<rehrar>** I'll make a Taiga for it. **\<sgp>** ok cool, look forward to seeing how this project evolves **\<rehrar>** also check out the new refreshed getkovri.org website and tell me if anything is broken for you on mobile, desktop, or tablet :D **\<cryptochangement>** I'd be glad to volunteer **\<serhack>** I like your idea rehrar **\<rehrar>** I like my idea too serhack ;) **\<cryptochangement>** so you got at least 1 or 2 already :p **\<sgp>** 5. FFS updates **\<sgp>** There are several FFS updates. **\<sgp>** a. Localization workgroup Q&A **\<sgp>** Erciccione asked to reserve some time for a localization workgroup Q&A. **\<ErCiccione>** thank you sgp i have a couple of things to say **\<ErCiccione>** first of all i wanted to apologize to the community, I'm having some personal problems since january. This caused me to work less than i wanted to (and less than what i promised in my ffs) for the localization workgroup **\<ErCiccione>** this means i'll recover that time on march (reclaiming the third milestone one week later) **\<ErCiccione>** but i have also some good news :) **\<ErCiccione>** thanks to rehrar's patch getmonero.org is now ready to be localized, i already set up a guide on taiga and can be found here: https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/erciccione-monero-localization/wiki/translating-monero-website **\<ErCiccione>** very soon i will upload on github the itlaian translation, so translator can use that as example for their Pull Requests. Also **\<rehrar>** woohoo! **\<serhack>** that's nice :) **\<ErCiccione>** i will publish this evening or tomorrow a reddit post asking for translators, since also getkovri was just refreshed and need to be checked and updated. The GUI is going great btw **\<ErCiccione>** a lot of translators, and if we are lucky we could get even 3 more translations before the code freeze **\<cryptochangement>** awesome **\<ErCiccione>** this is everything coming in my mind right now, the reddit post will be more verbose..if anybody has any question,, here to answer :) **\<cryptochangement>** btw @ErCiccione i'm about to squash commits for that french GUI update so it should be ready to merge soon **\<ErCiccione>** great, thanks cryptochangement, will leave my final review after the squash **\<sgp>** Thanks ErCiccione **\<sgp>** @michael you ready? **\<ErCiccione>** thank you guys **\<sgp>** b. RFC-HWALLET-1 project progress **\<michael>** Almost. **\<michael>** On the road problems. **\<rehrar>** how much time you need? **\<michael>** Five minutes. **\<sgp>** Ok, we can move to open ideas time until you are ready. Just jump in whenever **\<sgp>** I have an thought! **\<sgp>** I'm surprised we haven't discussed the possible overlap between /r/MoneroCommunity and /r/moonero before. Most large communities have fun making content (eg: dogecoin) **\<cryptochangement>** *waits suspensfully for sgp's thought* **\<cryptochangement>** thats an interesting way of looking at it **\<sgp>** Would encouraging people to make memes encourage people to contribute in other ways? Are we actually harming the community by having these two groups separate? **\<cryptochangement>** tbh i dont see how making memes will turn into other contributions **\<sgp>** It just encourages light-heartedness and lowers the barrier for initial contributions **\<michael>** Can only get a hotel network connection on my phone. **\<cryptochangement>** its an interesting idea but it might just end up as clutter **\<michael>** We had a hardware team meeting since the last community meeting. **\<michael>** For which there are minutes. **\<michael>** We're working on a new generation prototype, which will integrate one or more new secure elements. **\<serhack>** Private elements too? **\<msvb-mob>** Finally online, with a charged battery. **\<msvb-mob>** serhack: The secure elements lock secrets away from rogue firmware. **\<msvb-mob>** serhack: I don't know what a private element is. **\<serhack>** Monero is focused on privacy, I think the hardware wallet should be focused on the same goal **\<rehrar>** it is, serhack, no worries **\<rehrar>** the secure element is an actual piece of hardware **\<serhack>** Right. **\<ArticMine>** and how open in the hardware? back to the FLOSS question? **\<msvb-mob>** The hardware uses common parts, passive resistors, capacitors, and active LDO (power), MOSFET (transistors), and the more complex but also common MCUs and ICs. **\<msvb-mob>** All design, including schematic and layout, is licensed according to the CERN license. **\<msvb-mob>** We have rejected all NDA (nondisclosure agreements) and have no secret contacts, so this is quite Opensource. In fact even our process (project management and other docs) is. **\<msvb-mob>** ArticMine: Sound okay to you? **\<msvb-mob>** Any other hardware team questions? **\<ArticMine>** Yes this avoids proprietary attacks **\<sgp>** Thanks @msvb-mob for your update **\<msvb-mob>** ArticMine: Documents state 'copyright The Monero Project.' **\<msvb-mob>** sgp: You're welcome. **\<ArticMine>** You need a copyright which is then linked to a FLOSS or certain CC license **\<msvb-mob>** Yes, the CERN Opensource Hardware (OSH) license. **\<ArticMine>** This is a legal requirement in many jurisdictions **\<sgp>** ArticMine msvb-mob anything else you want to discuss related to this? They should have most of the details outlines on Taiga **\<msvb-mob>** sgp: We're done with the hardware report, thanks. **\<sgp>** Thanks msvb-mob **\<sgp>** 6. Open ideas time **\<sgp>** Does anyone have anything to discuss here? **\<ArticMine>** It seems to me this is on the right track **\<sgp>** Ok, since it seems quiet today, we can wrap up the meeting **\<sgp>** 7. Confirm next meeting date/time **\<sgp>** The next community meeting will be two weeks from today on 17 February. The next Coffee Chat will be next week on 10 February: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/173 **\<sgp>** 8. Conclusion **\<sgp>** That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on /r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, and know that change starts with YOU.