--- layout: post title: Logs for the Community Meeting Held on 2020-06-06 tags: [dev diaries, crypto] author: asymptotically / sgp_ --- # Logs **\** 0. Introduction **\** We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting! **\** Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/471 **\** Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support. **\** 1. Greetings **\** Hi folks **\** Hello. **\** o/ **\** hello! **\** ping needbrrrrrrr90 sarang **\** Hi **\** Hi! **\** hello everyone :) **\** 2. Community highlights **\** See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com **\** Check out resources at https://communityworkgroup.org. It also has a calendar you can subscribe to for meeting reminders. **\** We now have a Twitter! https://twitter.com/xmrcommunity **\** If we have time during open ideas time, please comment on what you want to use it for. **\** Diego spoke about Monero at the Messari’s Mainnet 2020 conference. Hopefully they eventually distribute a recording. **\** Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share? **\** 3. CCS updates **\** Funding required: **\** Norwegian translation of webplate, footers, nav. Menu (1.16 / 6 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/Norwegian\_translation\_core.html **\** Research post-quantum strategies for Monero (550.06 / 576 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/research-post-quantum-monero.html **\** Ideas (to be discussed): **\** Swedish cli wallet (3 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/147 **\** dEBRUYNE and ErCiccione[m] commented on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gtjd6g/ccs\_proposal\_lets\_add\_support\_for\_swedish\_in\_to/ **\** [REDDIT] [CCS Proposal] Lets add support for swedish in to monero cli wallet (self.Monero) | 21 points (82.0%) | 5 comments | Posted by writesofrust | Created at 2020-05-30 - 18:43:13 **\** no comments on this one? **\** I don't see much value either, but don't see a reason not to pass it on to funding required **\** donors can decide **\** 3 XMR is very small, maybe it is a good test run of the CCS system by that person if nothing else **\** is the gui and website already translated? **\** Not a big fan of that proposal. We don't even know about past experiences as translator and the proposal itself seems quite lazily written **\** let me check that **\** if they have no past contributions, I think that's a reason to not advance **\** We don't have the website in swedish. We have the GUI, which is almost fully translated **\** i'm fine with people not having past experience with monero if they show some credentials **\** did they show any? **\** To my knowledge, no. **\** but we didn't ask either **\** I guess the proposal is on hold then until that is resolved **\** final comments on this one? **\** second one: **\** Sarang: research funding for 2020 Q3 (492 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/148 **\** I'll revisit the amount prior to opening (if this is decided) **\** I highly doubt anyone will comment against this one **\** go go go!!! **\** indeed **\** Happy to take questions here or as CCS comments **\** I already left a thumb up on the MR **\** 7 thumbs up now **\** I think we can proceed since this obviously has universal support **\** I'll check on the amount first **\** of course **\** So please don't merge just yet **\** sarang did you discuss with luigi1111 about the proposed "stable USD amount" buffer? **\** It was briefly mentioned, but not really in any more detail **\** Let's discuss and finalize decision before you adapt amount **\** ok **\** (decision might be not to use it, no pressure!) **\** CLSAG Audit with Teserakt and OSTIF (179 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/150 **\** Teserakt has already done half of the audit on their own decision **\** Test failed **\** lol **\** no comments? **\** !donate [undisclosed\_amount] **\** please and thank you **\** haha nice **\** Any other CCS comments before we move on? **\** 4. Workgroup report **\** is selsta here? **\** yes **\** sweet **\** a. Daemon/CLI/GUI workgroup **\** go ahead :) **\** Will have to think :P **\** v0.16 was a smooth release and with no major problems. **\** I think we can soon prepare v0.17 with CLSAG **\** selsta: do you have an ideal release date for 0.17? since it will require a hardfork **\** Good job btw. People are super happy with the new GUI and CLI **\** Not yet. **\** I want to release at least 1 month before the hardfork time. **\** ya the gui is sexy af **\** do you want it to happen before this fall? **\** I would guess hardfork 2 months after the audit is done but that might be too optimistic. **\** There will need to be Trezor/Ledger support in place from those teams **\** and they'll probably want a testnet to try it out on **\** We have to give exchanges and other wallets enough time to update. **\** Bear in mind that CLSAG also requires changes from wallet providers **\** Thus, we have to allow for more time arguably **\** yep **\** We are also thinking about signing the windows and macOS release but that might be a better topic for the dev meeting **\** code certificate signing\* **\** yeah. The problem with the antiviruses needs to be at list mitigated somehow. Really bad UX **\** might no not possible to mitigate, but we will see **\** did one of those hw wallets monero integration get promoted to "full" or "proper" vs just being a side thing? **\** you mean ledger? **\** im not sure 🤔 **\** Ledger **\** I'm in contact with the person now in charge of that **\** I did not read from the announcement that they will work on Ledger Live. **\** I do not know any details on that **\** anyway I’m done with the workgroup update **\** thanks selsta! **\** oh and one more thing **\** google might add monero to their open source fuzzer: https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz/pull/3941 **\** IIRC moneromooo has been updating the fuzz tests in the codebase **\** sweet **\** this will help at find bugs in the monero codebase **\** finding\* **\** ok done now **\** thanks! **\** b. Localization workgroup **\** ErCiccione any update? **\** Not much. About 50 people contributed to translate the GUI release **\** this is what i read: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gwkmcn/ledger\_monero\_app\_new\_lead\_dev/ **\** \> Why? Until now Monero was still maintained as R&D project by myself. It is now moving in the coin integration team and will reach a new state level. That's as a good news. **\** [REDDIT] Ledger Monero App: New lead dev! (self.Monero) | 149 points (100.0%) | 38 comments | Posted by cslashm | Created at 2020-06-04 - 16:21:05 **\** It's a good number, the highest amount of translators for a release was 60 IIRC, but don't quote me on that **\** kinghat[m]: I've been recently put in touch with the dev who's now in charge of that **\** I've reached out to get information on their required/desired timeline for a network upgrade **\** waiting to hear back **\** also, Weblate is starting to catch up. People are using it every day and we have about 150 people on the platform **\** the activity: https://translate.getmonero.org/#activity **\** beside that, not much to report **\** sorry for the interruption ErCiccione. **\** no problem :) **\** glad to hear so many people helped with 0.16 **\** c. Outreach workgroup **\** Monero Outreach recently shared their “We Accept Monero” campaign: https://www.monerooutreach.org/we-accept-monero.html **\** d. Website workgroup **\** lots of cool changes here :) **\** Yeah there is a lot of stuff in progress **\** I posted this on reddit today: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gxnqmf/lets\_improve\_the\_monero\_faq\_page\_on\_getmonero/ **\** [REDDIT] Let's improve the Monero FAQ page on GetMonero. What questions/answers should we add? (self.Monero) | 35 points (95.0%) | 7 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-06-06 - 09:17:52 **\** I think we should improve the FAQ adding as many qestions as possible **\** if anybody has ideas, please post them on reddit or open an issue **\** SE is definitely a good place to start **\** or write here if you want but there is a higher chance of me forgetting it :P **\** sgp\_ i used it when i remade the faq, but now i wanted to add questions that people are asking now **\** I don’t think trying to replace SE with the website FAQ makes sense. (Not sure if that’s the intention) **\** I don't intend to replace SE at all. I just think that the website should be more a point of reference. Because people are more likely to look for answers there **\** not replacing SE **\** A lot of people google their question and get redirected to SE / Reddit. I doubt that many people will read to a huge FAQ but maybe that’s just my opinion. **\** through\* **\** this is mostly for media/journalists imo **\** what's the story with #monero-defcon **\** better for them to reference the site than SE **\** But a FAQ makes sense in general, yes. **\** SE has quite good SEO fwiw **\** They will often appear on top for a search **\** midipoet: What do you mean what's the story with #monero-defcon? **\** SE is good if someone googles a specific question **\** FAQ is good if someone goes digging **\** midipoet: I see now, let me try to fix that. **\** IMO FAQ is more for general questions about Monero, not too technical things. **\** yeah agreed **\** selsta: yep, that's my point **\** msvb-mob: thankyou! **\** question, there was some talk months ago about ring sizes increasing to epic quantities, is that still on the table? **\** (hi everyone!) **\** kayront: not with clsags **\** longer term **\** For who is not aware of that. I'm changing the homepage, you are welcome to review and participate to the dicussion: https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/948 **\** oh almost forgot **\** We are working on implementing the netlify previews on getmonero **\** sgp\_: years? **\** Basically every time somebody open a PR, netlify will build it and show a preview. That's useful because people without a building environment can see how a PR will look like once merged **\** see https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/1016 **\** That's something i look forward to and i hope will help increasing the activity on the monero-site repo **\** kayront: Realistically I think Triptych is 1-1.5 years out **\** There are still some questions on multisig support due to some different math **\** midipoet: You (and all of us) can now again access #monero-defcon. **\** msvb-lab: thank you :-). **\** ErCiccione: useful :D **\** i made a test PR that people can use as example **\** https://github.com/erciccione/monero-site/pull/17 **\** msvb-lab: there might still be a permissions issue...as I get an error trying to post a message **\** ErCiccione I'll get to the netlify thing tomorrow **\** I PRd the edited homepage. You can see netlify's comment with a link **\** that's the PR built and deployed **\** thanks binaryfate :) **\** ErCiccione: any practical risk of an attacker fooling someone into thinking it's the real site? **\** I suppose such an attacker could just deploy their own clone of the code, and the domain is netlify... **\** asked this in -dev several mins ago before realizing there's a meeting going on, does anyone know if this would be possible: " another thing: would it technically be possible to have an "account viewkey", rather than a wallet-wide one? use cases would be services that require the viewkey to confirm payments, generate addresses etc, this is a fairly common use case; and for simplicity/backup/sanity reasons it's helpful to only have one **\** underlying seed" **\** unlikely IMO **\** but even if they do think it's the real website, there are no downloads **\** and the links are hard to mistake. The homepage for example is built here: https://deploy-preview-17--frosty-jones-8df25a.netlify.app **\** thanks ErCiccione **\** anything else on the website? **\** sarang: can you quickly give an update on MRL? **\** don't think so **\** Sure **\** The CLSAG audit process is proceeding nicely \* midipoet realises there was a meeting **\** I spent quite a bit of time re-running and correcting some tracing analysis that came out in a preprint **\** The results are much better than the preprint had suggested **\** that was just a class project afaict **\** Yes, but it got some attention and was a good excuse to run updated analysis anyway **\** thanks sarang **\** there's one topic ErCiccione wanted to discuss at the meeting **\** ErCiccione asked to reserve some time to make a decision of using “reasonably” in the homepage: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/471#issuecomment-639582413 **\** https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/971 **\** yeah let's get done with that **\** I think it should be removed **\** it doesn't convey the nuances it attempted to convey imo **\** I liked it, but i see why people prefer to have it removed. If it's controversial, let's just remove it **\** people wanted to change "slogan" anyway, no? **\** yeah there were other ideas too **\** fwiw i think it reads a bit like a cop-out **\** +1 for removing it **\** i understand the idea behind it, but for the uninitiated it probably reads more like "it's probably not gonna keep my stuff private" **\** The idea was that privacy and security always depend on risk and threat models **\** who gets that from "reasonably" though if they don't already get that **\** understood **\** remove it please, it's only in geek circles that people might get the honest meaning. We're very honest if people dig more, no need to confuse on the homepage **\** yeah sarang, iirc QubesOS used/uses "reasonably secure" as well, in reality that's what it is because nothing can be 100% safe **\** but for new people the nuance will be lost i reckon **\** any final comments? **\** I'm not tied to that specific wording. As long as the presentation is honest and reasonable **\** okay, we can wrap up then. thanks for your patience as we went over **\** 6. Confirm next meeting date/time **\** The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 20 June at 17:00 UTC. **\** The next Coffee Chat is on Saturday 27 June at 17:00 UTC **\** Conclusion **\** alright, i'll remove it tomorrow **\** That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, STAY SAFE AND ISOLATED, and know that change starts with YOU.