--- layout: post title: Logs for the Kovri Dev Meeting Held on 2016-05-22 summary: GNU Social status, Kovri website, i2p StackExchange, Coverity for Kovri tags: [dev diaries, i2p, crypto] author: dEBRUYNE / fluffypony --- # Logs **\** ok starting the meeting relay for the Kovri meeting **\ [anonimal]** Hello. **\** anonimal: all yours :) **\ {-anonimal}** From https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/issues/177 **\ {-anonimal}** Proposed meeting items: **\ {-anonimal}** 17:00 (UTC) **\ {-anonimal}** 1. Review assigned open tickets: status, code ideas (if applicable), etc. **\ {-anonimal}** 2. Any additional meeting items **\ {-anonimal}** 3. Confirm next meeting date/time **\ {-anonimal}** Starting with 1., as discussed in private with fluffypony, let's tackle https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/issues/assigned/fluffypony **\** hokay - should we do them one at a time ? **\ [anonimal]** Sure, #105. **\** sec, just opening it up **\ [anonimal]** I'm more curious about status updates and if we'll pursue some of these ideas. **\** ok 107 **\** I asked dEBRUYNE and the rest of the social media guys about that in January last **\** dEBRUYNE: have you guys looked at that at all ? **\** I think xmrpromotions was handling that **\ [anonimal]** JFTR: s/107/105/ **\** I honestly cannot remember you asking me :-P **\* fluffypony** has the IRC logs to prove it :-P **\** regardless, I think xmrpromotions was handling most of that :-P **\** ok - xmrpromotions, did you have a chance to look at GNU Social ? **\** I am looking at GNU social right now **\** I am sorry but I have not **\ [anonimal]** Can I ask everone, candidly, what they think of the idea? **\ [anonimal]** Is it something worth pursuing? **\** My initial instinct is yes **\** tbh I had hardly heard about GNU Social till you brought it up **\** Are there more details I can read about it? https://github.com/monero-project/kovri/issues/105 **\** but I think in terms of providing a more freedom-friendly social presence it's advantageous **\** plus if we can spend the energy maintaining a Facebook page we can definitely justify this... :-P **\** Way better than a Facebook page **\** There are many who dislike the corporate centralization of Facebook in social media **\ [anonimal]** xmrpromotions: A great example of a working instance is https://quitter.se/ **\<__uguu__>** facebook is currently actively banning users that talk about the censorship too so... **\ [anonimal]** xmrpromortions: For technical details, https://gnu.io/social/ **\ [anonimal]** lol, sorry, not auto-completion here **\ [anonimal]** Yes, recent news items re: censorship just get crazier and crazier. **\** Thank you I will read the details and be ready to comment later. It is too early for me to commit to anything quite yet **\ [anonimal]** And the social monopolies are finally showing their true colors. **\ [anonimal]** Ok, so #105 is on hold pending xmrpromotions' review? **\** yup **\ [anonimal]** Ok, next ticket. **\** ok **\ [anonimal]** #46 **\ [anonimal]** The Kovri website. **\** #46 - does anyone have any strong opinions on whether it should be a page on the Monero website, or a separate site that matches the Monero site's look and feel (maybe with different colours), or a completely unrelated site ? **\** anonimal: and your input on this would be appreciated too **\** I think the relay is wonky **\ [anonimal]** What's the time-cost in terms of managing two sites? **\ [anonimal]** Yes, missed almost everything it looks like. **\** anonimal: it's mostly just the initial work, after that I mostly go hands-off and let the community run with the content **\ [anonimal]** Can anyone read this? **\ [anonimal]** Ok, so could we start small with a page on the website, or maybe subdomain/ and if things get bigger move onto another site? **\** that would be my recommendation **\** we start with a sub-section on the Monero site **\** and forward the kovri site through to it **\** if we feel the need later on we can create a separate site on its own **\ [anonimal]** Ok, sounds good to me. Anyone else? **\** Of the three options mentioned a separate site that matches the Monero site's look and feel may help draw a wider audience than a page on the Monero site while at the same time anyone who visits the Kovri page knows that Monero is associated with it **\** It seems like a judgement call to me. Either plan sounds reasonable **\** restarting meeting bot **\** in fact, if you want to write up some content for me I'll do it on the plane on Tuesday **\** in fact, I can probably take most of it from the readme **\** in fact, if I say in fact again I'll summon the in-fact-bot **\ [anonimal]** Ok, ideas for content? I can blabber but ideas are welcome. **\ [anonimal]** ping in-fact-bot **\** Any thoughts on creating a stackexchange proposal for I2P? Tor has a page now https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/56447/tor and we should be able to reach the commitment stage quickly with the same supporters behind the Monero proposal? **\** xmrpromotions: we'd have to run it past zzz, at the very least **\ [fluffypony]** zzz ^^ **\** sorry for off topic idea. I can table it for later if appropriate **\ no I think it's an excellent idea, if the i2p community at large is interested then now is definitely the time **\ [anonimal]** From what I've seen, alot of great ideas come and go through #i2p-dev but it always comes down to resources. **\ [anonimal]** I think we'd all love that but someone will have to take the initiative. **\** I will take the initiative on that **\ [anonimal]** AFAICT all i2p-related dev (including Kovri) is in a bit of a dry spell so, priorities. **\ [anonimal]** I like the idea though. **\** anonimal: the advantage is that we can basically get everyone who's committed to the Monero proposal to also back an i2p proposal **\** but now is the time to do so **\** whilst everyone's excited **\ [anonimal]** Ok, so what's the next step? **\** If the I2P communty supports it. As fluffypony said now is the time as the synergy will help both I2P and Monero proposals pass faster for REP related reasons **\** so basically next step on the website is let's get a bit of content and I'll put it together on the plane on Tuesday **\** next step on the StackExchange proposal is to wait for feedback from zzz **\** sounds good. I wont act until I hear confirmation that zzz is ready to proceed **\ [anonimal]** I dropped a line in #i2p-dev. **\ [anonimal]** We'll see who bites. **\ [anonimal]** Ok, so #46: 1) create content 2) On Tuesday, fluffypony will put something together 3) ETA after that? **\** ok next ticket ? **\** oh **\** once it's pushed to the repo it goes live **\** there's no ETA beyond that **\** or no steps beyond pulling it and rebuilding the Jekyll site **\ [anonimal]** Ok great, I'll paste a note in ticket. **\ [anonimal]** Moving on, #43. **\** ok - can we just use the Monero addresses, or do we want separate addresses? **\ [anonimal]** I'm fine with Monero addresses. **\** ok then they're avialable here, anonimal: http://donate.getmonero.org **\** *available **\ [anonimal]** Ok. Also, I can apply for FFS when needed or include my address somewhere or we can simply put a note in README to donate to either. Sound fair? **\ [anonimal]** Or no? **\** ffs is prolly more efficient **\** FFS is better than direct donations **\** and it's generally more trustworthy because you raise funds for a specific piece of work, and then get paid out on milestones **\ [anonimal]** Ok, we should put a note in README directing to FFS and donation page or just FFS? **\** the readme just needs the donation page **\** if we get large donations we redistribute them to active FFS proposals anyway **\ [anonimal]** fluffypony: Ok, would you like to add that with your wording to the README? Or should I? **\** anonimal: I have to pack tomorrow, and have a bunch of things to do, so if you could that would be appreciated **\ [anonimal]** Ok **\ [anonimal]** Moving on, #27 **\** ok #27 is going to have to hold for a week or two, we're busy moving email providers on getmonero.org so I'll sort it out on the new provider **\ [anonimal]** Ok, I'll paste that note. **\ [anonimal]** Onward to #20. **\** 20 - I can try Coverity again, let's see if it gives me the same issue **\** I've not heard from them despite opening tickets etc. **\ [anonimal]** Links? Maybe I can comment/ping them too. **\** anonimal: screenshots and process I followed is in that ticket **\** issue I mean **\ [anonimal]** Ok, well, it may come down to a phone call or two. **\ [anonimal]** Is that something you'd be willing to do? **\ [anonimal]** If not, we can skip the integration and try to do it manually. **\** sure **\ [anonimal]** Ok, next. #90 is not assigned to you but I remember you said you would assign yourself. **\** one second just checking coverity **\ [anonimal]** Is #90 still of interest? **\** oooooh it works **\** they must've fixed it and just not let us know **\** anonimal: I'll PM you with coverity details **\ [anonimal]** Fantastic! **\ [anonimal]** Yay, great. This should be interesting. **\** will I break things if I create a bridge by connecting simplewallet to the daemon over an i2p tunnel? **\** doubtful **\ [anonimal]** fluffypony: #90? **\** 90 will happen automagically when our GitLab mirror is up **\** it'll have clearnet / Tor / i2p mirrors **\ [anonimal]** Ok then. I've missed any discussions about that in the past, is there an ETA? **\** not at the moment - it's one of those "on the list" things, I lack the time to knuckle down and do it **\** we need a devops team :-P **\ [anonimal]** Indeed. Ok, I'll add a note in ticket. **\ [anonimal]** To whom should we assign #90 then? **\** me **\ [anonimal]** Ok, will do. **\ [anonimal]** Yay, hour long of fluffypony tickets finally tackled! I'm glad we finally had the time. Any other comments them? **\** none from my side **\ [anonimal]** So, since this was the "fluffypony show" meeting, for time-sake I'll sum up my part of 1. with one line: **\ [anonimal]** I'm not working on any tickets ATM but what will most likely be a new ticket soon as I'm working on Transports (mostly NTCP, little SSU): debugging/refactoring/c++14 refactoring where appropriate/some rewrite/some new code/documentation/improved logging **\ [anonimal]** So, that's that for now, I'm sure more code talk can be at the next meeting. **\ [anonimal]** Any additional meeting items (quickly)? **\** nothing more from me **\ [anonimal]** Re: StackExchange, what tl;dr can I give to #i2p-dev? **\ [anonimal]** Aside from pointing a link to the meeting log. **\ [anonimal]** (I've been out of the loop re: the initiative) **\** Just say that we are willing to cross promote it to XMR community and expect it to reach the commitment stage fairly fasy **\** fast **\ [fluffypony]** just that it's a proposal to have an i2p-specific StackExchange area **\ [anonimal]** So, what should we expect from them? **\** from there the I2P and XMR communities can help each other ensure both site reach beta **\** Hard for me to make an ETA on that. End result would be an I2P site similar to what Tor has now **\ [anonimal]** fluffypony: should we end meeting? **\ [anonimal]** (or has it ended?) **\ [fluffypony]** yes I think so **\ [fluffypony]** I'll take the bot down **\** We need I2P experts to appear during the proposal stage once created to ask good questions **\** early questions attract a lot more votes and rise to the top, so quality matters **\ [anonimal]** Ok, I'll chat in #monero-dev. **\ {-anonimal}** * thinking **\ {-anonimal}** xmrpromotions: I can commit to both pages. How many I2P 'experts' would need to commit? **\** well we need 40 good questions. each person can only ask 5 **\** well before commitment it's just the voting section **\** Our initial 40 questions will help with SEO after launch **\** where we need not only good questions asked, but also good questions have to get 10 votes each **\** Yes I mean we need to create quality questions to vote on **\** If someone wants to create a list of 40 great questions that would be perfect **\ {-anonimal}** 40 great I2P questions, I could do that. **\** they still have to post them though **\** then we can divide it up and ask 5 each to make sure no silly questions gain a lot of votes early in the process **\** we can find 8 people to post 5 questions each easily **\** yup **\** yeah, then we need a bunch of people to upvote :) **\** I dont think voting will be a problem either. XMR users with no rep can be assigned to ask the questions... that will give them 5x10x5 rep (250 each) **\** which will give them more than enough for the 200 rep area 51 cutoff for the SE 100 rep account association bonus **\** strategyyyy **\** 5q with 10 votes each will earn 5 rep per vote **\ {-anonimal}** Ok, sounds great. Right now, I need to finish post-meeting wrap-up, take a break, get my brain in order and bbl. **\** ok cool **\** I will make a post in the getmonero forums. Maybe we can create and agree on a list of 40 questions there before we start **\** thanks everyone. have a great weekend **\** cheers