--- layout: post title: Logs for the Kovri Dev Meeting Held on 2017-08-06 summary: Brief review of what has been completed since last meeting, discussion of meta issues, and code & open tickets discussion tags: [dev diaries, i2p, crypto] author: dEBRUYNE / fluffypony --- # Logs **\<anonimal>** Alright, meeting time. **\<anonimal>** 1. Greetings **\<anonimal>** 2. Brief review of what's been completed since the previous meeting **\<anonimal>** 3. Contributor FFS check-in / status **\<anonimal>** 4. Code + ticket discussion / Q & A **\<anonimal>** 5. Any additional meeting items **\<anonimal>** 6. Confirm next meeting date/time **\<serhack>** Greetings **\<serhack>** Hello **\<anonimal>** Hi **\<anonimal>** Hello serhack **\<ArticMine>** hi **\<serhack>** hi ArticMine, hi Anonimal **\<i2p-relay> {-pigeons}** howdy **\<anonimal>** Hi ArticMine, hi pigeons **\<anonimal>** 1.a: how's everyone doing? **\<rehrar>** Well weren't there some things to go over regarding that ffs pr? **\<rehrar>** Oh. We'll talk bout it later. **\<rehrar>** In the meeting. **\<rehrar>** Taking care of wife. We both doing ok. **\<anonimal>** Good I hope. **\<rehrar>** And hi. **\<rehrar>** How're you anonimal? **\<anonimal>** I wish her a speedy recovery. **\<anonimal>** 2. Brief review of what's been completed since the previous meeting **\<rehrar>** How's your transition going? **\<anonimal>** lol, funny how you use the word "transition" (inside defcon joke, ping endogenic) **\<anonimal>** I'm doing fine, thank you. **\<rehrar>** Not much to report this past while cuz of the surgery. I'll be making up the time this week. **\<anonimal>** re: 2., I spent most of the past two weeks AFK; busy with fedcon25 and the #monerola meetup (prep/travel/etc.) **\<anonimal>** So busy with kovri promotion/discussion. As for repo work, I've been able to do documentation and site-related work. **\<rehrar>** We missed thee. **\<anonimal>** I'm also way past my milestone hours so I'll need to submit a milestone report to the FFS. **\<serhack>** Anonimal: I have a lot of question about Kovri, I will connect to irc **\<anonimal>** What else has been completed since the previous meeting? **\<anonimal>** Yay, willkommen. **\<anonimal>** rehrar have you been able to work on any kovri things? **\<endogenic>** lol wait… transition? **\<rehrar>** See my above comment. **\<anonimal>** rehrar: oops, I just read your line (didn't see it) **\<anonimal>** endogenic: Oh, I think it was more a pwrcycle inside joke. Nm. It was re: "Janet". **\<anonimal>** But no, I'm not in transition, lol **\<anonimal>** 3. Contributor FFS check-in / status **\<endogenic>** ohhh **\<rehrar>** I meant from anonymous to not. **\<endogenic>** that makes sense **\<endogenic>** lolo **\<moneromooo>** Ah, I first thought the same, then talk of surgery, so I wasn't sure. **\<endogenic>** yeah anonimal **\<endogenic>** can imagine how concerned everyone was **\<rehrar>** Nah. Surgery is my wife. She had some surgery on her eyes this week. **\<endogenic>** dang **\<endogenic>** everything ok? **\<rehrar>** Ye. Her eyes strained at the computer where she works, so we got her Lasik. **\<endogenic>** ohh **\<anonimal>** re: 3., like I mentioned, I'll submit a milestone report. I use Kimai to keep detailed logs, down to the second, of all my billable activity. I'd like to submit those instead of writing TL;DR's but on the other hand I don't want all my time publicly tracked. I'll keep TL;DR's for the forum but have timesheets available for core team review if requested. **\<serhack>** :O **\<anonimal>** MoroccanMalinois is AFK I don't have an update on his FFS status. **\<anonimal>** He did say he's submit something soon though. **\* anonimal** shrugs **\<anonimal>** rehrar: any kovri FFS plans? **\<moneromooo>** FWIW, I was keeping track at 5 minute increments, then keeping it to myself. Never been a problem. It only would be with slackers I expect. **\<rehrar>** Ummm FFS plans? **\<anonimal>** k **\<anonimal>** Yes, to have one if needed. **\<rehrar>** alright, I'm here on IRC sorry for the delay. **\<anonimal>** 4. Code + ticket discussion / Q & A **\<anonimal>** re: point 4, and also going back to point 2, I did do a lengthy review of MoroccanMalinois' open PR #684. **\<anonimal>** But other than that, I don't have any comments on point 4. Any questions? **\<anonimal>** I did notice that the issue-helper on the meta repo appears to be in full swing and is looking good, pigeons. **\<anonimal>** 5. Any additional meeting items **\<anonimal>** Anyone interested in discussing quantum entanglement as a solution to nullifying the Alice/Bob relationship in order to eliminate the possibility of Eve? **\<ArticMine>** Any reference on this? **\<anonimal>** Not that I know of. It was something I started talking about while at fedcon25. **\<anonimal>** But I need much more information. **\<moneromooo>** wat **\<moneromooo>** Wouldn't that need custom hardware that's nowhere near everyday buyers ? **\* anonimal** is not a quantum specialist **\<ajsantos>** so would that mean Eve is both Alice and Bob at the same time **\<anonimal>** Probably, and probably a custom science too. **\<anonimal>** What I mean is, AFAICT it's the only way to eliminate Eve and until then, anonymity will always have the potential to be broken. **\<anonimal>** ajsantos: I don't know **\* anonimal** will need to brush up on entanglement **\<anonimal>** But if two points are guaranteed to only exist as a single unified point, I would imagine that Eve could not be Alice or Bob. **\* anonimal** shrugs, #monero-future-futures **\<ArticMine>** Ok Alice + Trump Bob = Jong-un Eve = ? **\<ArticMine>** Alice = Trump **\<anonimal>** Oh, one more thing, we'll have the 96boards.org podcast on August 17th. **\<anonimal>** Details in meta/#46 **\<anonimal>** Anything else or shall we wrap the meeting up early? **\<rehrar>** nothing for me, sorry. I've got a lot going down atm, so I'm in and out intermittently **\<anonimal>** Yes, Alice would = Bob so their state would be agreed upon at any given moment so long as they become entangled. **\<anonimal>** Whether passive observation at that point is even possible, I don't know. **\<moneromooo>** The only use of qe I know about is for Alice to send a message to Bob (ostensibly a key), in a way that Eve cannot eavesdrop on it without Bob being able to detect it. **\<moneromooo>** (only use for crypto) **\<anonimal>** I remember seeing a talk about that a while ago. re: anonmymity, I don't know if the concept of "hops" would apply though, and I don't know if "building a network of entangled points" would be an accurate solution to creating an anonymity set. **\<anonimal>** So many questions! **\<moneromooo>** AFAICT, the use of this would be to strengthen the crypto, which is already likely well armoured. **\<moneromooo>** It wouldn't do anything for traffic analysis. **\<moneromooo>** But then maybe there's more stuff qe can be used for... **\<moneromooo>** You'd need to pre-share a LOT of bits if you did not want only the key to be sent, though. **\<moneromooo>** And QE is EASY to collapse. **\<moneromooo>** Actually, I don't know anything about this, ignore me. **\<ArticMine>** It is a possible research topic at this point as far as I can see **\<anonimal>** I'm not a huge fan of PQ discussion because of the number of everyday issues we're currently tackling but for some reason I am intrigued about this area. **\<anonimal>** Yes, I would like to do more research and write something if needed. **\<anonimal>** i.e., if it's not already been written. **\<anonimal>** My FFS could cover it under "Research improving I2P and overlay-network security" and "Opening new proposals". **\<anonimal>** Though I had imagined something more near-future tangible. We'll see. **\<anonimal>** Eek, out of time. 6. Confirm next meeting date/time **\<anonimal>** Same time, two weeks (August 20th)? **\<anonimal>** Ok, thanks everyone :)